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This is actually wild to me because I think it is based on a big assumption. I'm not actually sure most customers actually "chose" the iPhone. For many, it's a

This is actually wild to me because I think it is based on a big assumption. I'm not actually sure most customers actually "chose" the iPhone. For many, it's a social construct. Apple creates iMessage, if you want to be able to talk to your friends and be in the group chat or get Facetime calls, you need an iPhone. The Social fallout is large. I wouldn't fully disagree with you if..we were talking about buying a random brand Android phone because you could just buy a different one..but Apple's unwillingness to openness really removes elements of choice. Then there's this other angle that I think it is weird that you think it needs to be black or white. The default App store will still be the default. You can just use it out of the box as you do. Any solution that allows third party stores would be a setting that would need activation and would probably say, repeatedly "Don't do this if someone told you to". Then finally, the angle that developers want things for free is wiiiild. Apple actively locks features out of PWAs on purpose, the native feature support is awful. Apple stating that any digital transaction on a phone means they get 30% is a wild world. Imagine a world where Ford cars demand 30% of all tolls or 30% of all drive-thru transactions as it is 'in-car' purchases. Computers never worked like this and it harms users. If apple wants a cut, they should have to defend it with a better product rather than locking people out.

martimarkov 3y ago
Look I completely agree on the charges. There is no rationale for them. But fix that. The only viable defense is Apple creates an ecosystem and builds the APIs and OS. They need to get paid for the work - otherwise the argument for developers wanting stuff for free is still valid. Enforce features being available (NFC for example on the iPhone). PWA is a complete joke - I agree. Enforce feature-parity. But IMO the argument always boils down to the fact the fees are too high. That is the main driver. And like nobody talks about the fact they are the same as Xbox, PS, Nintendo, Steam because we have more mobile developers who want to make more money. I mean the vast majority of apps should most likely not exist - they are just bloatware (again IMO). What I think would make sense we do a blanket statement for all stores and devices. Either all or nothing otherwise this is not really a problem on ethics or morality but on just pure profits.
- lockhouse 3y ago
  You bring up a great point about XBox PS, and Nintendo. Nobody is forcing them to allow alternative game stores on their platforms. If anything there is less competition on game consoles due to all of the platform exclusives.
lockhouse 3y ago
Nobody cares what color their iMessage chat bubbles are. It’s complete nonsense. We have a group text chat at work, other than a little friendly gentle ribbing about people owning the wrong phone (much like following the wrong sports team), it never even gets mentioned. My kids are the same way, they have group chats with their friend groups and the ones that speak in green bubbles are not ostracized because of it. I just recently switched to an iPhone (not quite 2 years ago) after owning Android phones for years. iMessage wasn’t even a thought in my purchasing decision. It’s a great messaging app, but at the end of the day, it’s just a way to send text messages.

martimarkov 3y ago

Look I completely agree on the charges. There is no rationale for them. But fix that. The only viable defense is Apple creates an ecosystem and builds the APIs and OS. They need to get paid for the work - otherwise the argument for developers wanting stuff for free is still valid. Enforce features being available (NFC for example on the iPhone). PWA is a complete joke - I agree. Enforce feature-parity. But IMO the argument always boils down to the fact the fees are too high. That is the main driver. And like nobody talks about the fact they are the same as Xbox, PS, Nintendo, Steam because we have more mobile developers who want to make more money. I mean the vast majority of apps should most likely not exist - they are just bloatware (again IMO). What I think would make sense we do a blanket statement for all stores and devices. Either all or nothing otherwise this is not really a problem on ethics or morality but on just pure profits.

lockhouse 3y ago
You bring up a great point about XBox PS, and Nintendo. Nobody is forcing them to allow alternative game stores on their platforms. If anything there is less competition on game consoles due to all of the platform exclusives.

lockhouse 3y ago

Nobody cares what color their iMessage chat bubbles are. It’s complete nonsense. We have a group text chat at work, other than a little friendly gentle ribbing about people owning the wrong phone (much like following the wrong sports team), it never even gets mentioned. My kids are the same way, they have group chats with their friend groups and the ones that speak in green bubbles are not ostracized because of it. I just recently switched to an iPhone (not quite 2 years ago) after owning Android phones for years. iMessage wasn’t even a thought in my purchasing decision. It’s a great messaging app, but at the end of the day, it’s just a way to send text messages.