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Your (or their) conclusion from that data is wrong. You could just as easily say that if you aren't a parent at age 30, there is a 50% chance that you decided

Your (or their) conclusion from that data is wrong. You could just as easily say that if you aren't a parent at age 30, there is a 50% chance that you decided you wanted to be childless at 20. There isn't enough data to conclude one way or another. We need to know how many of those people over 30 still desire children but tried and failed, and then tried IVF and failed (or couldn't afford it), and/or tried adoption but couldn't afford it or failed. You need a lot more data to come to the conclusion you did.

dheera 3y ago
> how many of those people over 30 still desire children but tried and failed, and then tried IVF and failed (or couldn't afford it), and/or tried adoption but couldn't afford it or failed You're also missing some big ones: - people over 30 who have overly busy work schedules that prevent them from dating even though they want a partner and possibly kids - people over 30 who really want a romantic partner but can't find anyone who likes them, or lack the skills to engage in a healthy romantic relationship - people over 30 who for career reasons are stuck in a place that likely does not have any compatible partners within reasonable distance - people over 30 who want kids but aren't financially ready and voluntarily not having kids until/unless ready (but would if they suddenly make bank at 35).
morpheuskafka 3y ago
> and/or tried adoption but couldn't afford it I don't really know what I'm talking about here, but why would adoption cost that much more than having a biological child? Just reducing it to numbers you already skipped thousands of pregnancy, delivery, early infancy doctor costs. On the other hand, adopted children may be more likely to need therapy or other care later in life. Besides, isn't the government desperate for children to be adopted? The state has to pay all their expenses until then, and obviously it's in the best interest of the community for them to be adopted. I don't see why they would have any incentive to charge a lot of fees.
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  Everything after having the kid is the same cost, but acquiring through adoption is very expensive. Most unwanted kids are aborted, so there are fewer left to adopt compared to a century ago when orphanages were a major part of the community.

dheera 3y ago

> how many of those people over 30 still desire children but tried and failed, and then tried IVF and failed (or couldn't afford it), and/or tried adoption but couldn't afford it or failed You're also missing some big ones: - people over 30 who have overly busy work schedules that prevent them from dating even though they want a partner and possibly kids - people over 30 who really want a romantic partner but can't find anyone who likes them, or lack the skills to engage in a healthy romantic relationship - people over 30 who for career reasons are stuck in a place that likely does not have any compatible partners within reasonable distance - people over 30 who want kids but aren't financially ready and voluntarily not having kids until/unless ready (but would if they suddenly make bank at 35).

morpheuskafka 3y ago

> and/or tried adoption but couldn't afford it I don't really know what I'm talking about here, but why would adoption cost that much more than having a biological child? Just reducing it to numbers you already skipped thousands of pregnancy, delivery, early infancy doctor costs. On the other hand, adopted children may be more likely to need therapy or other care later in life. Besides, isn't the government desperate for children to be adopted? The state has to pay all their expenses until then, and obviously it's in the best interest of the community for them to be adopted. I don't see why they would have any incentive to charge a lot of fees.

mensetmanusman 3y ago
Everything after having the kid is the same cost, but acquiring through adoption is very expensive. Most unwanted kids are aborted, so there are fewer left to adopt compared to a century ago when orphanages were a major part of the community.