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Most businesses treat cloud like a utility, not tech. Don't want to generate their own power, deal with sewage ... and compute. Which in 99.9% of the cases is

Most businesses treat cloud like a utility, not tech. Don't want to generate their own power, deal with sewage ... and compute. Which in 99.9% of the cases is the right decision. Sorry for all you infra techies, but that's the way tech matures.

betaby 3y ago
Infra techies are fine. Likewise 'grid is mature' and yet most of buildings with floor space over NN m2 have team of electricians, being them direct hire or contractors. Same for the 'cloud' - 90%+ of the world deployed 'compute' is not cloud.
- shadowtree 3y ago
  Work for a 30bn market cap company, all our stuff is built on AWS. Offices all around the globe. Not a single electrician on payroll. YMMV.
  - betaby 3y ago
    You may call your company arrangement `electricityless` even! Like `serverless` - we don't use servers.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    > Not a single electrician on payroll. Directly, yes maybe. Many companies don't have in-house experts (and get shafted by vendors as a result, as they're lacking the competence required to assess the quality of work). But indirectly, they all have. In Germany, at least, you're required to have electrical appliances inspected by a licensed professional (an electrician or otherwise qualified person) at least every two years - most companies opt for using dedicated external companies, but you can also train someone for that task. On top of that come all the electricians hired by the landlords - the ones dealing with complaints and remodels, or servicing lifts, escalators, HVAC, datacenters, ...
    - shadowtree 3y ago
      Utility is just an old term for "as a service". Electricity as a Service, which includes payments for expert maintenance. Thread is about AWS and merits of in-sourcing, which is not how the world operates. Anyways.
- kazen44 3y ago
  Also, infrastructure fundementals do not change, now matter where they are running. As long as dev's don't seem to understand real world limitations, (for instance, a network cannot be instantanious, and latency is not consistent) and thus leave tons of performance on the table, i think the "infra guys" will be just fine. Also, don't forget there is an entire world out there of people making sure connections to the cloud are even possible across the internet.

betaby 3y ago

Infra techies are fine. Likewise 'grid is mature' and yet most of buildings with floor space over NN m2 have team of electricians, being them direct hire or contractors. Same for the 'cloud' - 90%+ of the world deployed 'compute' is not cloud.

shadowtree 3y ago
Work for a 30bn market cap company, all our stuff is built on AWS. Offices all around the globe. Not a single electrician on payroll. YMMV.
- betaby 3y ago
  You may call your company arrangement `electricityless` even! Like `serverless` - we don't use servers.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > Not a single electrician on payroll. Directly, yes maybe. Many companies don't have in-house experts (and get shafted by vendors as a result, as they're lacking the competence required to assess the quality of work). But indirectly, they all have. In Germany, at least, you're required to have electrical appliances inspected by a licensed professional (an electrician or otherwise qualified person) at least every two years - most companies opt for using dedicated external companies, but you can also train someone for that task. On top of that come all the electricians hired by the landlords - the ones dealing with complaints and remodels, or servicing lifts, escalators, HVAC, datacenters, ...
  - shadowtree 3y ago
    Utility is just an old term for "as a service". Electricity as a Service, which includes payments for expert maintenance. Thread is about AWS and merits of in-sourcing, which is not how the world operates. Anyways.
kazen44 3y ago
Also, infrastructure fundementals do not change, now matter where they are running. As long as dev's don't seem to understand real world limitations, (for instance, a network cannot be instantanious, and latency is not consistent) and thus leave tons of performance on the table, i think the "infra guys" will be just fine. Also, don't forget there is an entire world out there of people making sure connections to the cloud are even possible across the internet.