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You're basically right. The devs have explicitly said that the ideal is for every user to run their own instance.that said, while it's not hard to run an instan

You're basically right. The devs have explicitly said that the ideal is for every user to run their own instance.that said, while it's not hard to run an instance it's well beyond the level of effort most people are ever going to spend.

nobody9999 3y ago
>while it's not hard to run an instance it's well beyond the level of effort most people are ever going to spend. This. And it's not just lemmy either. Mastodon, pixelfed, diaspora and other fediverse-capable platforms are a pain in the ass to set up and self host. As a technical guy, I've set up most of these and while it's certainly possible to do, the hoi polloi don't have the knowledge/skills to do so and aren't interested in gaining such skills. RPM/DEB/etc. packages with set up scripts and windows installers would make a world of difference, but instead we have 'curl <url> |bash' and docker containers. While I'm not really too upset about the great unwashed being able to access the Fediverse (I wouldn't mind if it were mostly the technically minded, but I can just choose who to follow to get that), the current situation does little to improve the network effects of the Fediverse. IMHO, the situation is similar to a scenario posited in another discussion[0] about devops, where developers throw their code "over the wall" to let the ops folks handle deployment/operations. Except the "ops" folks in this case are mostly non-technical end users. With the results being pretty much what you'd might expect. And more's the pity. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36354049 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36354049
- VikingCoder 3y ago
  I love Sandstorm.io, but each instance seems to act as an island of users / apps, by design. ...I wish it had thrived enough to have Federated Apps integrated with it intelligently. I love how the App Store works on Sandstorm.io and in Linode (for initial set-up, anyway). I also hope that this stuff gets integrated with something like Tailscale... So if I run an instance, I can see which individual users or apps on other instances are allowed to talk to my apps on my instance, and it's all end-to-end encrypted... I continue to hope for the fediverse to do well! And yes, people will subscribe to Allowlists and Denylists, and that's not great, but people are terrible...
lelanthran 3y ago
> The devs have explicitly said that the ideal is for every user to run their own instance I think the only people motivated to do that would be trolls and spammers. In fact, it's probably easily automated too. Spam, get banned, restart instance, repeat.

nobody9999 3y ago

>while it's not hard to run an instance it's well beyond the level of effort most people are ever going to spend. This. And it's not just lemmy either. Mastodon, pixelfed, diaspora and other fediverse-capable platforms are a pain in the ass to set up and self host. As a technical guy, I've set up most of these and while it's certainly possible to do, the hoi polloi don't have the knowledge/skills to do so and aren't interested in gaining such skills. RPM/DEB/etc. packages with set up scripts and windows installers would make a world of difference, but instead we have 'curl <url> |bash' and docker containers. While I'm not really too upset about the great unwashed being able to access the Fediverse (I wouldn't mind if it were mostly the technically minded, but I can just choose who to follow to get that), the current situation does little to improve the network effects of the Fediverse. IMHO, the situation is similar to a scenario posited in another discussion[0] about devops, where developers throw their code "over the wall" to let the ops folks handle deployment/operations. Except the "ops" folks in this case are mostly non-technical end users. With the results being pretty much what you'd might expect. And more's the pity. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36354049 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36354049

VikingCoder 3y ago
I love Sandstorm.io, but each instance seems to act as an island of users / apps, by design. ...I wish it had thrived enough to have Federated Apps integrated with it intelligently. I love how the App Store works on Sandstorm.io and in Linode (for initial set-up, anyway). I also hope that this stuff gets integrated with something like Tailscale... So if I run an instance, I can see which individual users or apps on other instances are allowed to talk to my apps on my instance, and it's all end-to-end encrypted... I continue to hope for the fediverse to do well! And yes, people will subscribe to Allowlists and Denylists, and that's not great, but people are terrible...

lelanthran 3y ago

> The devs have explicitly said that the ideal is for every user to run their own instance I think the only people motivated to do that would be trolls and spammers. In fact, it's probably easily automated too. Spam, get banned, restart instance, repeat.