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Suffered real harm? From what? Losing their job? Idk what actual claim they have

by DoesntMatter22 3y ago

jghn 3y ago
loss of income seems like harm to me?
- DoesntMatter22 3y ago
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  - shkkmo 3y ago
    You certainly can, it happens all the time and is a regular occurrence.
    - dannyr 3y ago
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      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        From the guidelines[0]: > Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - pjc50 3y ago
    Only some places and people have the weird US "at will" condition. Others have contracts, in which people must be given notice, and failing to do so is breach of contract. Some places have legally required redundancy processes, which have not been followed. (A particular example: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-apologizes-to-disabled-ex-twitter-employee-who-was-voted-icelands-person-of-the-year-in-2022-ba0a3a8a https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-apologizes-to-di... - as a senior employee of a company acquired by Twitter, he had some sort of golden handcuff contract which guaranteed him a large payment if he was ever fired)
    - phpisthebest 3y ago
      Well given the story is from a US News Site, talking about a US law firm, about arbitration happening in the US, it seems the laws of the US are what is in play here, and in the US we do have at will employment.
      - wholinator2 3y ago
        I keep finding conflicting information on this. It looks to me like all 50 states do have at-will employement, except when they don't. Which appears to be a long list of strange and specific exemptions. Do we know what jurisdiction these firings occurred under and whether anyone has an actual case due to these exemptions?
        ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
        employment contracts override at-will employment
  - dghlsakjg 3y ago
    You can if there were explicit written promises made and broken. Especially if those promises were made to keep you from taking action that would otherwise be in your own interest. Courts recognize things like opportunity cost in cases like this. If you made the decision to stay with twitter instead of taking another offer because you were promised that there were no layoffs and RSUs would be honored, the courts see that as an additional harm.
  - compiler-guy 3y ago
    If you agreed to pay salaries consistent with salaries before the acquisition, and industry standard severance in the event of layoffs, all of which Musk did. And then don't do that, you most certainly can be sued, and you will lose.
skulk 3y ago
> Idk what actual claim they have Good thing TFA clearly states that Musk is stiffing them on their severance...

Suffered real harm? From what? Losing their job? Idk what actual claim they have

jghn 3y ago

loss of income seems like harm to me?

DoesntMatter22 3y ago
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- shkkmo 3y ago
  You certainly can, it happens all the time and is a regular occurrence.
  - dannyr 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      From the guidelines[0]: > Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- pjc50 3y ago
  Only some places and people have the weird US "at will" condition. Others have contracts, in which people must be given notice, and failing to do so is breach of contract. Some places have legally required redundancy processes, which have not been followed. (A particular example: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-apologizes-to-disabled-ex-twitter-employee-who-was-voted-icelands-person-of-the-year-in-2022-ba0a3a8a https://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-apologizes-to-di... - as a senior employee of a company acquired by Twitter, he had some sort of golden handcuff contract which guaranteed him a large payment if he was ever fired)
  - phpisthebest 3y ago
    Well given the story is from a US News Site, talking about a US law firm, about arbitration happening in the US, it seems the laws of the US are what is in play here, and in the US we do have at will employment.
    - wholinator2 3y ago
      I keep finding conflicting information on this. It looks to me like all 50 states do have at-will employement, except when they don't. Which appears to be a long list of strange and specific exemptions. Do we know what jurisdiction these firings occurred under and whether anyone has an actual case due to these exemptions?
      - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
        employment contracts override at-will employment
- dghlsakjg 3y ago
  You can if there were explicit written promises made and broken. Especially if those promises were made to keep you from taking action that would otherwise be in your own interest. Courts recognize things like opportunity cost in cases like this. If you made the decision to stay with twitter instead of taking another offer because you were promised that there were no layoffs and RSUs would be honored, the courts see that as an additional harm.
- compiler-guy 3y ago
  If you agreed to pay salaries consistent with salaries before the acquisition, and industry standard severance in the event of layoffs, all of which Musk did. And then don't do that, you most certainly can be sued, and you will lose.

skulk 3y ago

> Idk what actual claim they have Good thing TFA clearly states that Musk is stiffing them on their severance...