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KDE Plasma 6 Has Reached the Point of Being “Fairly Livable”

105 points by thepbone 3y ago

alphanullmeric 3y ago
Now make it less ugly and buggy. I firmly believe that if you gave a MacOS/Windows user Gnome on Fedora 38 they would be quite impressed, whereas I highly doubt I could say the same about KDE.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  My experience is that Apple people feel more comfortable with Gnome, and Windows people feel more comfortable with KDE. I'm happy that there is choice, here, personally. I hate almost everything about Gnome, but wouldn't want to deprive people who like it of having it.
  - kitsunesoba 3y ago
    To me Cinnamon and some configurations of XFCE feel closer to a traditional Windows-style desktop than KDE does, but very few distros ship either as their flagship DE.
  - atq2119 3y ago
    This is an interesting observation but it matches my perception of traditional project philosophies: "we know what's best for you" (Apple / Gnome) vs. "here are options, have at it" (KDE / Windows)
- alexhornby 3y ago
  As a MacOS user wanting global menu on linux KDE is definitely better at that than GNOME. I agree GNOME looks a bit better in default config, but I suppose thats subjective. I use KDE with mac-like shortcuts and menu and like it a lot
- rantingdemon 3y ago
  I disagree quite strongly. KDE is more aligned to the classic desktop environment that most people are used to and familiar with. For me, I really prefer KDE over Gnome. Gnome seems to do what Windows is trying to do, and they are failing as Windows is. Gnome just seems counter intuitive to me. It's obviously subjective and anecdotal, so take it from that perspective.
seba_dos1 3y ago
It should probably link directly to https://pointieststick.com/2023/06/18/on-the-road-to-plasma-6/ https://pointieststick.com/2023/06/18/on-the-road-to-plasma-...
- jlpcsl 3y ago
  That was submited about a day ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36378496 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36378496
ChuckNorris89 3y ago
Maybe I missed it but what benefits does Plasma 6 bring over Plasma 5 to the users? The changes I read seem mainly API focused.
- shmerl 3y ago
  Qt 5 used by Plasma 5 needs backporting things. Plasma 6 is using Qt 6 which gets the current development.
- veqz 3y ago
  As such, the user benefits are all indirect. Plasma needs to be ported to Qt6, and thus Plasma 5 becomes Plasma 6. In the process a lot of code is cleaned up, and it is easier to find and eliminate bugs, and also to add new features. Several new user facing features and improvements are still coming with the release of Plasma 6, and lots more will keep coming in subsequent versions.
MegaDeKay 3y ago
I'm a big KDE fan and wish them well in this update. People complain about the papercuts, UI inconsistencies, and feature overload you find in KDE but if you follow Nate's blog on https://pointieststick.com https://pointieststick.com, you can see that they are continually working to address all of these things. That KDE was Valve's chosen DE for Linux on the Steam Deck hopefully means yet more resources for additional polish and features.
- jlpcsl 3y ago
  I am also a big fan, It was actually KDE Plasma that convinced me to switch to GNU/Linux. I was offered distros with other desktops at first and all were lacking features and customisability. Only when trying out a distro with Plasma have I switched and remained. And I find it better then anything that is out there, even when counting closed/proprietary alternatives.
- barbariangrunge 3y ago
  Just give me the ability to drive the ui over multiple desktops like it’s gnome: via keyboard shortcuts, and I’ll be open minded. Don’t make me touch the mouse. Then, add some nice ui transitions: keep transitions, don’t make them instant. Slide or fade things. But last time I tried kde/plasma, I couldn’t pull it off and went back to gnome.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    > Then, add some nice ui transitions KDE allows for flexibility and choice about such animations. I dislike that sort of thing and disable them all, so I don't know how well the various options work, but I do know they're there.
  - checkyoursudo 3y ago
    I used Plasma 5 with i3 instead of kwin [1] with 2 monitors for a while. Never really need to use the mouse when you don't want to. That is the whole reason I use i3 to begin with. It was fine. But I went back to normal i3. I just don't need all that desktop environment stuff. I don't know if I would recommend it, but it was doable. I don't know about transitions or anything. I don't use transitions, so ... no idea. i3 just instantly switches between monitors or workspaces etc, though maybe someone has implemented transitions like they did with gaps? Again, no idea. [1] https://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/Using_Other_Window_Managers_with_Plasma https://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/Using_Other_Window_Manage...
hulitu 3y ago
> KDE Plasma 6 Has Reached the Point of Being “Fairly Livable” So it's time for Plasma 7. /s
drewg123 3y ago
When will plasma be livable in general? I used KDE from 2001 through KDE4, and tried to use KDE Plasma5 for a few years before throwing in the towel and moving to LDXE. The Plasma versions seemed to embody change-for-change's sake, and were flaky in non-reproducible ways. Things like the compositor crashing, startup scripts not running in a reproducible way, weird behavior around multiple monitors and the dock sticking to the wrong edges etc. I just want something simple, not as fugly as TWM, that lets me use focus-follows-mouse and several "weird" personal muscle memory shortcuts around mouse buttons and meta keys for window management actions. Old school KDE gave me all that until my distro (FreeBSD) moved to kde plasma5 several years ago. After that it was just horrible. The last vestage of plasma5 on my desktop was sddm which flaked out after an update, presenting just a blank screen, and leavng me unable to login. At first, I thought it was just me. Then I thought it was just FreeBSD, but every problem I've googled for (sddm most recently) has people from many different linux distros complaining about the same issues.
- kitsunesoba 3y ago
  KDE has felt a bit odd to me ever since I think v5 or whenever it was that there was a big shift in its UI design. Some people really love it and that's great but I think many of its quirks/unique bits will be lost on general audiences. It feels designed for a particular subset of users.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  I've been use KDE for a very long time, and I'm not a huge fan of Plasma, either. But at least it's possible to configure things in such a way as to avoid a lot of it.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  I switched to LXQt for the same reasons. KDE is great on paper but Plasma has too many random bugs for me to enjoy (specifically Plasma; Kwin is fine.) I just want a basic and stable desktop environment with GUI configuration and and standard window management... I find that KDE provides some of those but sacrifices stability in an effort to be more than basic. For instance; configuring panels. In LXQt it's done mostly through context menus and setting windows, while in KDE it's supposed to be a more dynamic affair of dragging things around with your mouse. Well KDE's way of doing it has never worked well for me, it always seems to mess up and do something unexpected when I try to use it, so a simple adjustment becomes an ordeal of trying to fix my panels after messing them up accidentally. LXQt's way of doing it may not be as slick and modern, but it's utterly reliable.
caligula1989 3y ago
Oh no, I was finally enjoying Plasma 5
veave 3y ago
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- suby 3y ago
  What makes a font cheap-looking? I don't have an eye for this sort of thing but it looks fine to me.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    I don't see the problem with it, either, but took the comment as a statement of personal taste rather than an objective criticism.
  - mattkevan 3y ago
    Noto isn’t a cheap-looking font, but it’s the wrong choice in this context. It’s a very wide open font with big counters (eg. the middle bits of a and e.). That means it looks bigger than other fonts at the same size. It also takes up more space for the same amount of words. In the example above the text looks slightly too big for the surrounding space which makes it look cheap. Verdana, the font HN uses, was designed to be readable at small sizes on lo-res screens, so has very wide counters. It’s also why it looks ugly in high-res or when printed. Good interface fonts tend to be more condensed, so you get more on a line - think Roboto or Inter. It’s also probably why Apple moved from Helvetica, a good print font, to San Francisco which was specifically designed for UI.
    - BearOso 3y ago
      The context in the GP post clearly shows a high-dpi screen. So I think a font designed for printers or high-dpi is appropriate for it. Verdana is actually undersized relative to most fonts. The ascender range is too large, so the baseline is off as well. And as you pointed out, the blue zones are similar to Noto anyway, so that aspect wouldn't affect readability. I think you probably just have a low-res monitor. Noto has no bytecode hinting, so it would fall back to an auto hinter or remain unhinted and wouldn't present with the same sharpness.
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Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago
Do we get the option for ISO dates in kde programs?
- tmtvl 3y ago
  Various programs may be basing the time display format on your LC_TIME environment variable, according to the Arch wiki* setting it to en_DK.UTF-8 will switch to ISO format. * https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Locale#LC_TIME:_date_and_time_format https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Locale#LC_TIME:_date_and_ti...
  - Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago
    Already configured. `date` already prints it correctly but kde is special
- noisem4ker 3y ago
  It's being discussed here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982 In short, the feature was lost when KDE 5 dropped some custom localization component in favor of Qt's. Lead KDE developers argue that the feature should be reimplemented in Qt, and to date nobody has bothered or managed to write a patch for the meantime.
samsquire 3y ago
I like desktop environments. I actually use LXQT and Windows. I have lots of ideas of how they could be more powerful. * GUIs aren't as flexible as command line or programming languages, but I wonder if there's some middle ground to add flexibility to GUIs. I think generating complicated data from a GUI would be faster than writing it by hand. For example, if AWS Console could be dumped to Terraform files. Or Visio to a JSON tree data structure. * Would like the possibility to integrate multiple machines into my desktop environment, for example, I could configure a cloud credentials and servers in my LAN as part of setup and my desktop can coordinate other machines or servers. VNC could be configured automatically and Just Works. I would synchronize my files with the remote environment and index it ALL WAYS so that file search is incredibly fast because searches happen on a different machine, without slowing down my current machine with indexing or searches.
- 5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
  ChatGPT is pretty ok at converting data between representations, even very different ones. This is the only thing I ended up using it for — aggregating text data into JSON structures, converting iptables rules into nftables (or even pf/ipfw), translating an XML tree into YAML, etc etc.
earthscienceman 3y ago
The negativity in this thread is fascinating and shows just how different expectations from users can be. I've been a KDE user since installing Fedora on a lark right when KDE4 "left beta" which, if the developers were being honest, was much closer to an alpha. It was painful, but KDE today is very feature rich and relatively low resource. I use KDE on a very old thinkpad and it is fantastic, I really enjoy the experience. KRunner is my primary way of interacting with the DE and combined with the recent touchpad gesture support is a very clean way of navigating what a DE should provide a user. I've been using plasma wayland for the last two years and in the last year has become more 'clean' (smoother animations, no tearing, stable) than X11 ever was. I get ~9 hours of battery on an X1 Nano Gen2 using the most recent Firefox and various terminal applications. Every six months or so I try other DEs, gnome, budgie, the plethora of tiling managers, etc et al. None of them are as nice to use as KDE. KDE specifics aside, as always, Linux on the desktop is more polished than ever. Is it as polished as Windows/MacOS? Probably not but I don't really care. Maybe it is finally the year of the Linux desktop? Using any of these modern GUIs, ZFS, and the impressive new 8+ core CPUs available from AMD/Intel with 32Gb+ of RAM and NVME SSD makes it seem like local computing has become what I always wanted it to be. I now store and process my data in RAM. It's incredible how fast laptop compute is. BTW. Latte dock is very stable now as well, and is a great addition to KDE if you haven't tried it. Obligatory scrot... https://i.imgur.com/RG8ZJ3x.png https://i.imgur.com/RG8ZJ3x.png PostScript: After the monetization of imgur it's worse than ever. What are HN folks using for image hosting now?
- robbintt 3y ago
  I use s3 to share with my friends. I wrote a bash script to upload to a s3 bucket. The bucket has a policy to auto delete after X days. There is a little buffer, 100GB egress free per month. After that, I would be paying $0.09 per GB egress. With micro costs like these, I wonder if there is a future in self-paying hosting costs.
- hulitu 3y ago
  > Is it as polished as Windows/MacOS? Probably not Well, in Linux (fvwm) i can set the width of the window border at any size i want. In MS Windows 10, no. In fvwm i can work with virtual desktops, in MS Win 10, no (they are unusable). In fvwm i can tell to windows to have titlebars, in MS Win 10 every program messes with the titlebar. etc.
sgt 3y ago
2023, the year of the Linux desktop? /s
jrm4 3y ago
Weird, I thought Plasma was going to be the good "consume-a-lot-of-cpu" desktop, with Gnome being the annoying one. Either way, I'll stand on -- the vast majority of Linux desktop GUI work is an enormous waste of time. Not theoretically based on the product, but in principle because it's mostly a solved problem. Openbox with a few doodads could be fine for the vast majority of users (I do mean even non-Linux users) because the desktop isn't the thing you use, it's the thing you use for a little bit before you get to the thing you ACTUALLY use.
sam0x17 3y ago
Was a diehard gnome fan for years but ever since gnome 3 nothing has worked. Have been unironically using plasma now for almost a year and really can't complain. For a while Budgie was the best but now that has fallen into shambles seemingly so KDE really is the way to go

105 points by thepbone 3y ago

Now make it less ugly and buggy. I firmly believe that if you gave a MacOS/Windows user Gnome on Fedora 38 they would be quite impressed, whereas I highly doubt I could say the same about KDE.

JohnFen 3y ago
My experience is that Apple people feel more comfortable with Gnome, and Windows people feel more comfortable with KDE. I'm happy that there is choice, here, personally. I hate almost everything about Gnome, but wouldn't want to deprive people who like it of having it.
- kitsunesoba 3y ago
  To me Cinnamon and some configurations of XFCE feel closer to a traditional Windows-style desktop than KDE does, but very few distros ship either as their flagship DE.
- atq2119 3y ago
  This is an interesting observation but it matches my perception of traditional project philosophies: "we know what's best for you" (Apple / Gnome) vs. "here are options, have at it" (KDE / Windows)
alexhornby 3y ago
As a MacOS user wanting global menu on linux KDE is definitely better at that than GNOME. I agree GNOME looks a bit better in default config, but I suppose thats subjective. I use KDE with mac-like shortcuts and menu and like it a lot
rantingdemon 3y ago
I disagree quite strongly. KDE is more aligned to the classic desktop environment that most people are used to and familiar with. For me, I really prefer KDE over Gnome. Gnome seems to do what Windows is trying to do, and they are failing as Windows is. Gnome just seems counter intuitive to me. It's obviously subjective and anecdotal, so take it from that perspective.

seba_dos1 3y ago

It should probably link directly to https://pointieststick.com/2023/06/18/on-the-road-to-plasma-6/ https://pointieststick.com/2023/06/18/on-the-road-to-plasma-...

jlpcsl 3y ago
That was submited about a day ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36378496 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36378496

ChuckNorris89 3y ago

Maybe I missed it but what benefits does Plasma 6 bring over Plasma 5 to the users? The changes I read seem mainly API focused.

shmerl 3y ago
Qt 5 used by Plasma 5 needs backporting things. Plasma 6 is using Qt 6 which gets the current development.
veqz 3y ago
As such, the user benefits are all indirect. Plasma needs to be ported to Qt6, and thus Plasma 5 becomes Plasma 6. In the process a lot of code is cleaned up, and it is easier to find and eliminate bugs, and also to add new features. Several new user facing features and improvements are still coming with the release of Plasma 6, and lots more will keep coming in subsequent versions.

MegaDeKay 3y ago

I'm a big KDE fan and wish them well in this update. People complain about the papercuts, UI inconsistencies, and feature overload you find in KDE but if you follow Nate's blog on https://pointieststick.com https://pointieststick.com, you can see that they are continually working to address all of these things. That KDE was Valve's chosen DE for Linux on the Steam Deck hopefully means yet more resources for additional polish and features.

jlpcsl 3y ago
I am also a big fan, It was actually KDE Plasma that convinced me to switch to GNU/Linux. I was offered distros with other desktops at first and all were lacking features and customisability. Only when trying out a distro with Plasma have I switched and remained. And I find it better then anything that is out there, even when counting closed/proprietary alternatives.
barbariangrunge 3y ago
Just give me the ability to drive the ui over multiple desktops like it’s gnome: via keyboard shortcuts, and I’ll be open minded. Don’t make me touch the mouse. Then, add some nice ui transitions: keep transitions, don’t make them instant. Slide or fade things. But last time I tried kde/plasma, I couldn’t pull it off and went back to gnome.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > Then, add some nice ui transitions KDE allows for flexibility and choice about such animations. I dislike that sort of thing and disable them all, so I don't know how well the various options work, but I do know they're there.
- checkyoursudo 3y ago
  I used Plasma 5 with i3 instead of kwin [1] with 2 monitors for a while. Never really need to use the mouse when you don't want to. That is the whole reason I use i3 to begin with. It was fine. But I went back to normal i3. I just don't need all that desktop environment stuff. I don't know if I would recommend it, but it was doable. I don't know about transitions or anything. I don't use transitions, so ... no idea. i3 just instantly switches between monitors or workspaces etc, though maybe someone has implemented transitions like they did with gaps? Again, no idea. [1] https://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/Using_Other_Window_Managers_with_Plasma https://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/Using_Other_Window_Manage...

hulitu 3y ago

> KDE Plasma 6 Has Reached the Point of Being “Fairly Livable” So it's time for Plasma 7. /s

drewg123 3y ago

When will plasma be livable in general? I used KDE from 2001 through KDE4, and tried to use KDE Plasma5 for a few years before throwing in the towel and moving to LDXE. The Plasma versions seemed to embody change-for-change's sake, and were flaky in non-reproducible ways. Things like the compositor crashing, startup scripts not running in a reproducible way, weird behavior around multiple monitors and the dock sticking to the wrong edges etc. I just want something simple, not as fugly as TWM, that lets me use focus-follows-mouse and several "weird" personal muscle memory shortcuts around mouse buttons and meta keys for window management actions. Old school KDE gave me all that until my distro (FreeBSD) moved to kde plasma5 several years ago. After that it was just horrible. The last vestage of plasma5 on my desktop was sddm which flaked out after an update, presenting just a blank screen, and leavng me unable to login. At first, I thought it was just me. Then I thought it was just FreeBSD, but every problem I've googled for (sddm most recently) has people from many different linux distros complaining about the same issues.

kitsunesoba 3y ago
KDE has felt a bit odd to me ever since I think v5 or whenever it was that there was a big shift in its UI design. Some people really love it and that's great but I think many of its quirks/unique bits will be lost on general audiences. It feels designed for a particular subset of users.
JohnFen 3y ago
I've been use KDE for a very long time, and I'm not a huge fan of Plasma, either. But at least it's possible to configure things in such a way as to avoid a lot of it.
mcpackieh 3y ago
I switched to LXQt for the same reasons. KDE is great on paper but Plasma has too many random bugs for me to enjoy (specifically Plasma; Kwin is fine.) I just want a basic and stable desktop environment with GUI configuration and and standard window management... I find that KDE provides some of those but sacrifices stability in an effort to be more than basic. For instance; configuring panels. In LXQt it's done mostly through context menus and setting windows, while in KDE it's supposed to be a more dynamic affair of dragging things around with your mouse. Well KDE's way of doing it has never worked well for me, it always seems to mess up and do something unexpected when I try to use it, so a simple adjustment becomes an ordeal of trying to fix my panels after messing them up accidentally. LXQt's way of doing it may not be as slick and modern, but it's utterly reliable.

caligula1989 3y ago

Oh no, I was finally enjoying Plasma 5

veave 3y ago

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suby 3y ago
What makes a font cheap-looking? I don't have an eye for this sort of thing but it looks fine to me.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  I don't see the problem with it, either, but took the comment as a statement of personal taste rather than an objective criticism.
- mattkevan 3y ago
  Noto isn’t a cheap-looking font, but it’s the wrong choice in this context. It’s a very wide open font with big counters (eg. the middle bits of a and e.). That means it looks bigger than other fonts at the same size. It also takes up more space for the same amount of words. In the example above the text looks slightly too big for the surrounding space which makes it look cheap. Verdana, the font HN uses, was designed to be readable at small sizes on lo-res screens, so has very wide counters. It’s also why it looks ugly in high-res or when printed. Good interface fonts tend to be more condensed, so you get more on a line - think Roboto or Inter. It’s also probably why Apple moved from Helvetica, a good print font, to San Francisco which was specifically designed for UI.
  - BearOso 3y ago
    The context in the GP post clearly shows a high-dpi screen. So I think a font designed for printers or high-dpi is appropriate for it. Verdana is actually undersized relative to most fonts. The ascender range is too large, so the baseline is off as well. And as you pointed out, the blue zones are similar to Noto anyway, so that aspect wouldn't affect readability. I think you probably just have a low-res monitor. Noto has no bytecode hinting, so it would fall back to an auto hinter or remain unhinted and wouldn't present with the same sharpness.
3y ago

Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago

Do we get the option for ISO dates in kde programs?

tmtvl 3y ago
Various programs may be basing the time display format on your LC_TIME environment variable, according to the Arch wiki* setting it to en_DK.UTF-8 will switch to ISO format. * https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Locale#LC_TIME:_date_and_time_format https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Locale#LC_TIME:_date_and_ti...
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago
  Already configured. `date` already prints it correctly but kde is special
noisem4ker 3y ago
It's being discussed here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982 In short, the feature was lost when KDE 5 dropped some custom localization component in favor of Qt's. Lead KDE developers argue that the feature should be reimplemented in Qt, and to date nobody has bothered or managed to write a patch for the meantime.

samsquire 3y ago

I like desktop environments. I actually use LXQT and Windows. I have lots of ideas of how they could be more powerful. * GUIs aren't as flexible as command line or programming languages, but I wonder if there's some middle ground to add flexibility to GUIs. I think generating complicated data from a GUI would be faster than writing it by hand. For example, if AWS Console could be dumped to Terraform files. Or Visio to a JSON tree data structure. * Would like the possibility to integrate multiple machines into my desktop environment, for example, I could configure a cloud credentials and servers in my LAN as part of setup and my desktop can coordinate other machines or servers. VNC could be configured automatically and Just Works. I would synchronize my files with the remote environment and index it ALL WAYS so that file search is incredibly fast because searches happen on a different machine, without slowing down my current machine with indexing or searches.

5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
ChatGPT is pretty ok at converting data between representations, even very different ones. This is the only thing I ended up using it for — aggregating text data into JSON structures, converting iptables rules into nftables (or even pf/ipfw), translating an XML tree into YAML, etc etc.

earthscienceman 3y ago

The negativity in this thread is fascinating and shows just how different expectations from users can be. I've been a KDE user since installing Fedora on a lark right when KDE4 "left beta" which, if the developers were being honest, was much closer to an alpha. It was painful, but KDE today is very feature rich and relatively low resource. I use KDE on a very old thinkpad and it is fantastic, I really enjoy the experience. KRunner is my primary way of interacting with the DE and combined with the recent touchpad gesture support is a very clean way of navigating what a DE should provide a user. I've been using plasma wayland for the last two years and in the last year has become more 'clean' (smoother animations, no tearing, stable) than X11 ever was. I get ~9 hours of battery on an X1 Nano Gen2 using the most recent Firefox and various terminal applications. Every six months or so I try other DEs, gnome, budgie, the plethora of tiling managers, etc et al. None of them are as nice to use as KDE. KDE specifics aside, as always, Linux on the desktop is more polished than ever. Is it as polished as Windows/MacOS? Probably not but I don't really care. Maybe it is finally the year of the Linux desktop? Using any of these modern GUIs, ZFS, and the impressive new 8+ core CPUs available from AMD/Intel with 32Gb+ of RAM and NVME SSD makes it seem like local computing has become what I always wanted it to be. I now store and process my data in RAM. It's incredible how fast laptop compute is. BTW. Latte dock is very stable now as well, and is a great addition to KDE if you haven't tried it. Obligatory scrot... https://i.imgur.com/RG8ZJ3x.png https://i.imgur.com/RG8ZJ3x.png PostScript: After the monetization of imgur it's worse than ever. What are HN folks using for image hosting now?

robbintt 3y ago
I use s3 to share with my friends. I wrote a bash script to upload to a s3 bucket. The bucket has a policy to auto delete after X days. There is a little buffer, 100GB egress free per month. After that, I would be paying $0.09 per GB egress. With micro costs like these, I wonder if there is a future in self-paying hosting costs.
hulitu 3y ago
> Is it as polished as Windows/MacOS? Probably not Well, in Linux (fvwm) i can set the width of the window border at any size i want. In MS Windows 10, no. In fvwm i can work with virtual desktops, in MS Win 10, no (they are unusable). In fvwm i can tell to windows to have titlebars, in MS Win 10 every program messes with the titlebar. etc.

sgt 3y ago

2023, the year of the Linux desktop? /s

jrm4 3y ago

Weird, I thought Plasma was going to be the good "consume-a-lot-of-cpu" desktop, with Gnome being the annoying one. Either way, I'll stand on -- the vast majority of Linux desktop GUI work is an enormous waste of time. Not theoretically based on the product, but in principle because it's mostly a solved problem. Openbox with a few doodads could be fine for the vast majority of users (I do mean even non-Linux users) because the desktop isn't the thing you use, it's the thing you use for a little bit before you get to the thing you ACTUALLY use.

sam0x17 3y ago

Was a diehard gnome fan for years but ever since gnome 3 nothing has worked. Have been unironically using plasma now for almost a year and really can't complain. For a while Budgie was the best but now that has fallen into shambles seemingly so KDE really is the way to go