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Seems like beehaw is a very pro-censorship platform, and everything that social media should not be, so it will be a hard pass for me. Social media is a big en

Seems like beehaw is a very pro-censorship platform, and everything that social media should not be, so it will be a hard pass for me. Social media is a big enough echo chamber Edit: Now having read their "What is Beehaw" Post [1], I can clearly see I was correct and would NEVER want to be a part of that oppressive community, That post is fill with political ideology, plainly false statements, and mental contractions... wow. just wow [1] https://beehaw.org/post/107014 https://beehaw.org/post/107014

enragedcacti 3y ago
It isn't trying to be a platform, its trying to be a community in the same sense that a church or a softball league is a community. That takes handling things differently and they can afford doing that because its a federated network where someone who doesn't want to be OPPRESSED can just go to a different instance. > Our goal is to create a platform in which nice people will want to stick around so that the experience is less toxic than other websites and because of such it needs to resemble an offline community - the rules must be more open to interpretation and the way the rules are interpreted needs to be a community effort. > We want this to be a community - this means that discussions about behavior should organically arise. When someone violates a rule they aren’t banned immediately, but rather reminded that they need to behave appropriately. In the offline world, this might resemble a friend asking you about how you treated their friend, a pastor pulling you aside and talking to you about how you’ve seemed on edge lately, or security asking you not to vape inside their establishment. Beehaw is a Community: https://beehaw.org/post/140733 https://beehaw.org/post/140733
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  >>It isn't trying to be a platform They state they are a platform 16 times on the link I provided including directly saying ". Beehaw is a social media platform. "
  - enragedcacti 3y ago
    Fair, I shouldn't have hinged on my comment on that as I read some amount of ideological neutrality into the word "platform" that they apparently don't.
Firmwarrior 3y ago
Me: Surely it couldn't be that bad Beehaw: On this platform I attempted to address this emerging problem of rationalism
- 8organicbits 3y ago
  The term "rationalism" is defined earlier in the linked comment. I don't believe it's being used with the typical definition. This quote needs context.
- itsokimbatman 3y ago
  I don’t think they are calling “rationalism” itself bad, but there is a fairly large contingent of people who call themselves “rationalists” who don’t show the slightest hint of self introspection or rational thought. They see everyone else as driven by sloppy or emotional thinking and completely miss that their own arguments and reasoning are sloppy or emotion driven. The first step to being a true rationalist is to realize you’re as vulnerable to cognitive biases and emotion driven thinking as everyone else, and focus on your own thought processes first and foremost. Being a rationalist isn’t about lording over other people, it’s about trying to make your own thought as clear and rational as possible, and that requires challenging your own deeply held beliefs and opinions constantly. Most people I see who call themselves rationalists aren’t that.
FranzFerdiNaN 3y ago
Every instance is filled with "political ideology". Its just that the instances you prefer do not specify it as explicitely. But saying ''we dont censor hate speech'' is just as much politics as ''we censor hate speech''.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  IF they only said "We censor hate speech" then I probably would not have a huge issue, their ideological purity tests go well beyond that
Pet_Ant 3y ago
Yeah, I saw that and don’t mind them defederating. I don’t want to interact with those people… But I’m really glad it exists. I’m glad they have a space for themselves. Glad I can (hopefully) find a space for myself, and that we are no forced into co-existing. I might even recommend Beehaw to some extended acquaintances… but it’s fairly anti-me. Anyone recommend something like Something Awful from it’s glory days? I don’t mind trolls and saltiness and edginess, just don’t want spam.
- epcoa 3y ago
  > Yeah, I saw that and don’t mind them defederating. I don’t want to interact with those people… But what a complete farce this whole fediverse is. Any instance with any traction is going to attract people that you, I, or even the majority are not going to wish to interact with. Hell there's plenty on this site. And beehaw sounds like a community I have no interest in associating with. > and that we are no forced into co-existing. Not sure how simply federating servers forces coexistence. Defederating is such a ludicrously blunt and ultimately ineffective moderation tool.
brabel 3y ago
I didn't find the original post so bad... it surely sounds like someone a bit unstable, guilty of their own existence... but not bad, specially when you start reading comments and learn that some people are so supportive of the idea of "being nice" that they suggest the author should fork Lemmy and move Beehaw to their own platform because the Lemmy creators have different ideology than themselves :D omg, talk about being intolerant.

enragedcacti 3y ago

It isn't trying to be a platform, its trying to be a community in the same sense that a church or a softball league is a community. That takes handling things differently and they can afford doing that because its a federated network where someone who doesn't want to be OPPRESSED can just go to a different instance. > Our goal is to create a platform in which nice people will want to stick around so that the experience is less toxic than other websites and because of such it needs to resemble an offline community - the rules must be more open to interpretation and the way the rules are interpreted needs to be a community effort. > We want this to be a community - this means that discussions about behavior should organically arise. When someone violates a rule they aren’t banned immediately, but rather reminded that they need to behave appropriately. In the offline world, this might resemble a friend asking you about how you treated their friend, a pastor pulling you aside and talking to you about how you’ve seemed on edge lately, or security asking you not to vape inside their establishment. Beehaw is a Community: https://beehaw.org/post/140733 https://beehaw.org/post/140733

phpisthebest 3y ago
>>It isn't trying to be a platform They state they are a platform 16 times on the link I provided including directly saying ". Beehaw is a social media platform. "
- enragedcacti 3y ago
  Fair, I shouldn't have hinged on my comment on that as I read some amount of ideological neutrality into the word "platform" that they apparently don't.

Firmwarrior 3y ago

Me: Surely it couldn't be that bad Beehaw: On this platform I attempted to address this emerging problem of rationalism

8organicbits 3y ago
The term "rationalism" is defined earlier in the linked comment. I don't believe it's being used with the typical definition. This quote needs context.
itsokimbatman 3y ago
I don’t think they are calling “rationalism” itself bad, but there is a fairly large contingent of people who call themselves “rationalists” who don’t show the slightest hint of self introspection or rational thought. They see everyone else as driven by sloppy or emotional thinking and completely miss that their own arguments and reasoning are sloppy or emotion driven. The first step to being a true rationalist is to realize you’re as vulnerable to cognitive biases and emotion driven thinking as everyone else, and focus on your own thought processes first and foremost. Being a rationalist isn’t about lording over other people, it’s about trying to make your own thought as clear and rational as possible, and that requires challenging your own deeply held beliefs and opinions constantly. Most people I see who call themselves rationalists aren’t that.

FranzFerdiNaN 3y ago

Every instance is filled with "political ideology". Its just that the instances you prefer do not specify it as explicitely. But saying ''we dont censor hate speech'' is just as much politics as ''we censor hate speech''.

phpisthebest 3y ago
IF they only said "We censor hate speech" then I probably would not have a huge issue, their ideological purity tests go well beyond that

Pet_Ant 3y ago

Yeah, I saw that and don’t mind them defederating. I don’t want to interact with those people… But I’m really glad it exists. I’m glad they have a space for themselves. Glad I can (hopefully) find a space for myself, and that we are no forced into co-existing. I might even recommend Beehaw to some extended acquaintances… but it’s fairly anti-me. Anyone recommend something like Something Awful from it’s glory days? I don’t mind trolls and saltiness and edginess, just don’t want spam.

epcoa 3y ago
> Yeah, I saw that and don’t mind them defederating. I don’t want to interact with those people… But what a complete farce this whole fediverse is. Any instance with any traction is going to attract people that you, I, or even the majority are not going to wish to interact with. Hell there's plenty on this site. And beehaw sounds like a community I have no interest in associating with. > and that we are no forced into co-existing. Not sure how simply federating servers forces coexistence. Defederating is such a ludicrously blunt and ultimately ineffective moderation tool.

brabel 3y ago

I didn't find the original post so bad... it surely sounds like someone a bit unstable, guilty of their own existence... but not bad, specially when you start reading comments and learn that some people are so supportive of the idea of "being nice" that they suggest the author should fork Lemmy and move Beehaw to their own platform because the Lemmy creators have different ideology than themselves :D omg, talk about being intolerant.