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That didn't stop IRC being popular in the 1990s. There has long been a place in the ecosystem for ephemeral chat. Often alongside non-ephemeral things like wri

That didn't stop IRC being popular in the 1990s. There has long been a place in the ecosystem for ephemeral chat. Often alongside non-ephemeral things like written documentation.

nixass 3y ago
Also monks being the only ones who can read and write didn't stop religion to be popular in middle ages. /s C'mon
darkwater 3y ago
> That didn't stop IRC being popular in the 1990s. IRC chats, especially in opensource projects channels, could and would be archived, published over the web and indexed by search engines.
- paxys 3y ago
  So just like Discord then..
  - scubbo 3y ago
    No
  - pbmonster 3y ago
    I wasn't aware that was being done. Can you show me how to access the archives of the ask-for-help channel on the openllm Discord server? Right now they're discussing "loading models on CPU vs GPU". No matter how explicit I got, google did not find the discussion.
    - paxys 3y ago
      It's up to the server owners/admins to configure archiving, same as IRC.
- MatthiasPortzel 3y ago
  In my experience, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an IRC log in a search result. #haskell on Libra is publicly logged, but I couldn’t get Google to return a quoted phrase from a message a few weeks ago. Many people on IRC don’t enjoy being in logged channels. I’ve also heard that there are GDPR implications to publicly logging people’s messages without their consent. Discussion of the difficulty and downsides of IRC logging, from a coulple years ago: => https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22892015 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22892015 => https://web.archive.org/web/20200417001532/https://echelog.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200417001532/https://echelog.c... The HN blowback to developers choosing to use Discord is just wildly out of proportion.
  - darkwater 3y ago
    No, it's not. If you work on an opensource / open development project, it totally makes sense to avoid walled gardens for the community chat/forum (a few years ago it was public Slack instance, nowadays it's Discord servers).
sp332 3y ago
People didn't put documentation in IRC channels because they didn't want to answer the same questions over and over. Info went into a wiki, and you would get flamed for asking a question on IRC that was answered on the wiki. Discord is not a good place to stash documentation.
- yrro 3y ago
  It's ok you get scolded for asking an FAQ in many Discord "servers" as well.

That didn't stop IRC being popular in the 1990s. There has long been a place in the ecosystem for ephemeral chat. Often alongside non-ephemeral things like written documentation.

nixass 3y ago

Also monks being the only ones who can read and write didn't stop religion to be popular in middle ages. /s C'mon

darkwater 3y ago

> That didn't stop IRC being popular in the 1990s. IRC chats, especially in opensource projects channels, could and would be archived, published over the web and indexed by search engines.

paxys 3y ago
So just like Discord then..
- scubbo 3y ago
  No
- pbmonster 3y ago
  I wasn't aware that was being done. Can you show me how to access the archives of the ask-for-help channel on the openllm Discord server? Right now they're discussing "loading models on CPU vs GPU". No matter how explicit I got, google did not find the discussion.
  - paxys 3y ago
    It's up to the server owners/admins to configure archiving, same as IRC.
MatthiasPortzel 3y ago
In my experience, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an IRC log in a search result. #haskell on Libra is publicly logged, but I couldn’t get Google to return a quoted phrase from a message a few weeks ago. Many people on IRC don’t enjoy being in logged channels. I’ve also heard that there are GDPR implications to publicly logging people’s messages without their consent. Discussion of the difficulty and downsides of IRC logging, from a coulple years ago: => https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22892015 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22892015 => https://web.archive.org/web/20200417001532/https://echelog.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200417001532/https://echelog.c... The HN blowback to developers choosing to use Discord is just wildly out of proportion.
- darkwater 3y ago
  No, it's not. If you work on an opensource / open development project, it totally makes sense to avoid walled gardens for the community chat/forum (a few years ago it was public Slack instance, nowadays it's Discord servers).

sp332 3y ago

People didn't put documentation in IRC channels because they didn't want to answer the same questions over and over. Info went into a wiki, and you would get flamed for asking a question on IRC that was answered on the wiki. Discord is not a good place to stash documentation.

yrro 3y ago
It's ok you get scolded for asking an FAQ in many Discord "servers" as well.