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Look into the history of Ukraine over last 20 years. Especially how the Ukrainian speaking part of Ukraine has treated the Russian speaking Ukrainians. It's not

Look into the history of Ukraine over last 20 years. Especially how the Ukrainian speaking part of Ukraine has treated the Russian speaking Ukrainians. It's not what you've been told to believe. Even the Guardian was running stories about how the Russian speaking Ukrainians were being treated back in 2014. And how the neo-Nazis exert control.

ajuc 3y ago
> Especially how the Ukrainian speaking part of Ukraine has treated the Russian speaking Ukrainians I live in Poland. I was in Ukraine many times. I work with Russian- and Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians. My cousin married an Ukrainian. There's millions of them here. Literally nobody except for Russian propagandists ever complained about abuse of Russian-speaking Ukrainians. Kyiv (the capital) was mostly Russian-speaking till very recently. Most of Ukrainian politicians up to this point were Russian speaking. 5 of 6 presidents of Ukraine so far come from eastern Ukraine and were speaking Russian as their first language - including all the western-leaning ones (Yushchenko, Poroshenko, Zelenski). Eastern ("russian-speaking") Ukraine is much more wealthy, almost all big cities and universities are there - because it's where the natural resources are. Western Ukraine is mostly countryside. Most of the Ukrainian elites come from the east. Most Ukrainians speak both languages and switch depending on the context. Ukrainian got more popular not because of some imagined persecution, but because Ukrainians started to associate Russian language with invaders and genociders after Russians: - poisoned presidential candidate - falsified elections - invaded Crimea and Donbas - annexed Donbas - invaded the rest of Ukraine This didn't started in 2014 - it started in 2004. As for neo-nazis exerting control - neonazis tried to run for parliament after 2014. They got 0.7% of votes. That's lower than in most countries in the western Europe, including Germany (AfD has ~15% support) and my own country Poland. Not to mention that Russia currently is a totalitarian dictatorship that actively promotes killing Ukrainians on the TV. There's more neonazis in one russian division than in the whole of Ukraine.
_kbh_ 3y ago
> Look into the history of Ukraine over last 20 years. Especially how the Ukrainian speaking part of Ukraine has treated the Russian speaking Ukrainians. It's not what you've been told to believe. Even the Guardian was running stories about how the Russian speaking Ukrainians were being treated back in 2014. And how the neo-Nazis exert control. None of what has happened in Ukraine in the past 20 years justifies the invasion. None of it justifies the Russians rape and torture of civilians. None of it justifies the litany of war crimes including castrating PoWs and committing genocide. So why are you trying so hard to justify it?.

ajuc 3y ago

> Especially how the Ukrainian speaking part of Ukraine has treated the Russian speaking Ukrainians I live in Poland. I was in Ukraine many times. I work with Russian- and Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians. My cousin married an Ukrainian. There's millions of them here. Literally nobody except for Russian propagandists ever complained about abuse of Russian-speaking Ukrainians. Kyiv (the capital) was mostly Russian-speaking till very recently. Most of Ukrainian politicians up to this point were Russian speaking. 5 of 6 presidents of Ukraine so far come from eastern Ukraine and were speaking Russian as their first language - including all the western-leaning ones (Yushchenko, Poroshenko, Zelenski). Eastern ("russian-speaking") Ukraine is much more wealthy, almost all big cities and universities are there - because it's where the natural resources are. Western Ukraine is mostly countryside. Most of the Ukrainian elites come from the east. Most Ukrainians speak both languages and switch depending on the context. Ukrainian got more popular not because of some imagined persecution, but because Ukrainians started to associate Russian language with invaders and genociders after Russians: - poisoned presidential candidate - falsified elections - invaded Crimea and Donbas - annexed Donbas - invaded the rest of Ukraine This didn't started in 2014 - it started in 2004. As for neo-nazis exerting control - neonazis tried to run for parliament after 2014. They got 0.7% of votes. That's lower than in most countries in the western Europe, including Germany (AfD has ~15% support) and my own country Poland. Not to mention that Russia currently is a totalitarian dictatorship that actively promotes killing Ukrainians on the TV. There's more neonazis in one russian division than in the whole of Ukraine.

_kbh_ 3y ago

> Look into the history of Ukraine over last 20 years. Especially how the Ukrainian speaking part of Ukraine has treated the Russian speaking Ukrainians. It's not what you've been told to believe. Even the Guardian was running stories about how the Russian speaking Ukrainians were being treated back in 2014. And how the neo-Nazis exert control. None of what has happened in Ukraine in the past 20 years justifies the invasion. None of it justifies the Russians rape and torture of civilians. None of it justifies the litany of war crimes including castrating PoWs and committing genocide. So why are you trying so hard to justify it?.