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They're the best. They don't even ask for personal information when creating an account (heck, they don't ask for anything at all) and you can pay with crypto o

by rocho 3y ago

They're the best. They don't even ask for personal information when creating an account (heck, they don't ask for anything at all) and you can pay with crypto or cash. They use Wireguard and their desktop and mobile apps are very good. They shouldn't keep logs but even if they did there's no personal information metadata.

hutzlibu 3y ago
"They shouldn't keep logs but even if they did there's no personal information metadata." Just your personal IP, which is via your provider very tied to your person.
- lionkor 3y ago
  Thats assuming you are using your home IP, and that youre the only one using that IP, and that they are tracking your metadata (whcih there is no proof of)
  - rocho 3y ago
    That's true. But I don't do anything illegal, I mainly want to preserve my privacy and avoid the ISP logging all the domains I visit.
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    If I don't care, that my IP gets exposed, than I would not use a VPN in the first place. (In many places it can trivially linked to your real ID, if there is a court order) Unless the use case is circumventing region barriers.
    - jeltz 3y ago
      Mullvad claims to not log IPs so they cannot hand out anything via a court order and at least once a court order has turned up blank [1]. It is possible that CIA or some other intelligence agency has infiltrated Mullvad and logs them but that is nothing that will ever be used in a normal court case. They will only risk revealing their hand if you are some major crime boss, a spy or a terrorist. If you are just a file sharer or normal low level criminal I doubt the CIA (or whoever may have infiltrated Mullvad) would give anyone your IP. 1. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/husrannsakan-mot-vpn-tjansten-mullvad-i-goteborg https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/husrannsakan-mot-vpn-...
      - littlestymaar 3y ago
        > It is possible that CIA or some other intelligence agency has infiltrated Mullvad and logs them but that is nothing that will ever be used in a normal court case. They will only risk revealing their hand if you are some major crime boss, a spy or a terrorist. Or NSO or some other private actor did so, and now every dictatorship has access to it, and we all know how broad their “terrorist” definition can be…
        hutzlibu 3y ago
        Well yes, it depends on your threat level. If you are a dissident in Iran, you really should not trust some random VPN. Tor is probably safe enough, but there is also no guarantee, that the chinese are not sharing with them, because as far as I know (but last time I checked has been some years), many nodes are china based. So they might know. But if all you do is pirating some videos, then this is not something to worry about.
      - evgen 3y ago
        > It is possible that CIA or some other intelligence agency has infiltrated Mullvad and logs them but that is nothing that will ever be used in a normal court case. Just so everyone is clear on a few facts, it is possible for a TLA or agency from another large government to just try to blackbox the VPN nodes and be done with it without needing to infiltrate Mullvad. Just pressure the network provider of the VPN instances to get flow data, and at that point they can match up traffic going in and out and the VPN disappears from the picture.
    - lionkor 3y ago
      I care about websites I visit not seeing my IP since they can track me individually using that. Mullvad is the entity that hides it - of course they will see my IP. I don't care if Mullvad sees it, but I do care if shadywebsite6969.test sees it.

by rocho 3y ago

hutzlibu 3y ago

"They shouldn't keep logs but even if they did there's no personal information metadata." Just your personal IP, which is via your provider very tied to your person.

lionkor 3y ago
Thats assuming you are using your home IP, and that youre the only one using that IP, and that they are tracking your metadata (whcih there is no proof of)
- rocho 3y ago
  That's true. But I don't do anything illegal, I mainly want to preserve my privacy and avoid the ISP logging all the domains I visit.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  If I don't care, that my IP gets exposed, than I would not use a VPN in the first place. (In many places it can trivially linked to your real ID, if there is a court order) Unless the use case is circumventing region barriers.
  - jeltz 3y ago
    Mullvad claims to not log IPs so they cannot hand out anything via a court order and at least once a court order has turned up blank [1]. It is possible that CIA or some other intelligence agency has infiltrated Mullvad and logs them but that is nothing that will ever be used in a normal court case. They will only risk revealing their hand if you are some major crime boss, a spy or a terrorist. If you are just a file sharer or normal low level criminal I doubt the CIA (or whoever may have infiltrated Mullvad) would give anyone your IP. 1. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/husrannsakan-mot-vpn-tjansten-mullvad-i-goteborg https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/husrannsakan-mot-vpn-...
    - littlestymaar 3y ago
      > It is possible that CIA or some other intelligence agency has infiltrated Mullvad and logs them but that is nothing that will ever be used in a normal court case. They will only risk revealing their hand if you are some major crime boss, a spy or a terrorist. Or NSO or some other private actor did so, and now every dictatorship has access to it, and we all know how broad their “terrorist” definition can be…
      - hutzlibu 3y ago
        Well yes, it depends on your threat level. If you are a dissident in Iran, you really should not trust some random VPN. Tor is probably safe enough, but there is also no guarantee, that the chinese are not sharing with them, because as far as I know (but last time I checked has been some years), many nodes are china based. So they might know. But if all you do is pirating some videos, then this is not something to worry about.
    - evgen 3y ago
      > It is possible that CIA or some other intelligence agency has infiltrated Mullvad and logs them but that is nothing that will ever be used in a normal court case. Just so everyone is clear on a few facts, it is possible for a TLA or agency from another large government to just try to blackbox the VPN nodes and be done with it without needing to infiltrate Mullvad. Just pressure the network provider of the VPN instances to get flow data, and at that point they can match up traffic going in and out and the VPN disappears from the picture.
  - lionkor 3y ago
    I care about websites I visit not seeing my IP since they can track me individually using that. Mullvad is the entity that hides it - of course they will see my IP. I don't care if Mullvad sees it, but I do care if shadywebsite6969.test sees it.