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>> What if I leave for work for a year? Or 4? What is a "good" reason? > Where do you live during that time? Antarctic Research Station followed by a backpack

>> What if I leave for work for a year? Or 4? What is a "good" reason? > Where do you live during that time? Antarctic Research Station followed by a backpacking trip through Europe. >> why should that mean I don't keep my paid for property? > Because someone may want to live somewhere but land is too expensive because everyone is hoarding it? Food gets expensive; let the hungry take, literally, from your kitchen? Not everyone can live in downtown, some must go to the sticks. West Virginia has some land at $1000 an acre. What is the right density in the city? How small should homes be? How many to a room? >> At what threshold do you tell someone: fuck you and your property, we are taking it because we want it. > "residential housing not being used as a residence for more than N years"? Prove I didn't stop by for a few days N-1 years ago. -- Affordable housing is a real need, and local governments and city planners should work to make that so. You don't get to take my family's nth-generation home because my area is popular and we don't use it in a way you approve.

throwaway290 3y ago
So essentially you have no use for land/housing for extended period of time but you want to keep it. That's the textbook definition of hoarding real estate. And please don't give this BS about generations. Just ask yourself: would you sell your grandgrandpa's home if you knew tomorrow its price was not up but got halved, day after day? There's the answer about your true motivations. > Prove I didn't stop by for a few days N-1 years ago. Stopping by != using as residence. I stop by local Mcd occasionally, don't mean I live there. I'm vehemently not a communist but this sort of entitlement is cancer on humanity. Land is zero sum and a commons. These things are never not regulated in a healthy society. Even in US owning estate never means you are free to do anything you want with it, even if you live in it. Not hoarding it is only another one of those rules, sadly not supported by law enough.
- sethammons 3y ago
  Define having "no use." Lots of things can look like no or poor use. Waiting to retire there for instance. Land preservation. Political statements. Would I sell my grandpa's house? Depends on if I want to move in later, or help my kids move in when they are out of the house in N years. Just because you might abandon a family cabin/estate/ranch/remote-land knowing the price will drop doesn't mean others will. And how long must one inhabit a property per what unit of duration to maintain ownership? 1 month a year? 6+ months a decade? In my case, I'm talking 10 acres off some highway in Montana. I'll sell it if or when it is necessary. I'm working out of state, so I have two homes. You want some real estate? Work your ass off, save money, invest in yourself. Might have to move. Might have to change your lifestyle. I couldn't afford California so I had to leave. Poor people emigrate still and provide better lives for their kids. Not everyone gets to live in their favorite city. Sucks. Sell your iPhone and buy an acre in West Virginia. Look, there are inequities and basic needs can be hard in many areas to secure. That is all of human history. We keep working at it. The solution is not to force me to sell my 10 acres in Montana.
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    "Waiting" = "no use".
    - sethammons 3y ago
      waiting is absolutely a use. It is just not a use you agree with. Waiting for how long? Now that is a discussion. Is it abandoned or not? There is a line. I've not heard any sane proposition on that that line is. If I go on sabbatical and the world goes on lock down and you cant get back to the house for a few years, it is absolute _insanity_ to demand that house be yielded to others.
      - throwaway290 3y ago
        I'm glad we agree that there is a line and there has to be regulation to enforce it.

throwaway290 3y ago

So essentially you have no use for land/housing for extended period of time but you want to keep it. That's the textbook definition of hoarding real estate. And please don't give this BS about generations. Just ask yourself: would you sell your grandgrandpa's home if you knew tomorrow its price was not up but got halved, day after day? There's the answer about your true motivations. > Prove I didn't stop by for a few days N-1 years ago. Stopping by != using as residence. I stop by local Mcd occasionally, don't mean I live there. I'm vehemently not a communist but this sort of entitlement is cancer on humanity. Land is zero sum and a commons. These things are never not regulated in a healthy society. Even in US owning estate never means you are free to do anything you want with it, even if you live in it. Not hoarding it is only another one of those rules, sadly not supported by law enough.

sethammons 3y ago
Define having "no use." Lots of things can look like no or poor use. Waiting to retire there for instance. Land preservation. Political statements. Would I sell my grandpa's house? Depends on if I want to move in later, or help my kids move in when they are out of the house in N years. Just because you might abandon a family cabin/estate/ranch/remote-land knowing the price will drop doesn't mean others will. And how long must one inhabit a property per what unit of duration to maintain ownership? 1 month a year? 6+ months a decade? In my case, I'm talking 10 acres off some highway in Montana. I'll sell it if or when it is necessary. I'm working out of state, so I have two homes. You want some real estate? Work your ass off, save money, invest in yourself. Might have to move. Might have to change your lifestyle. I couldn't afford California so I had to leave. Poor people emigrate still and provide better lives for their kids. Not everyone gets to live in their favorite city. Sucks. Sell your iPhone and buy an acre in West Virginia. Look, there are inequities and basic needs can be hard in many areas to secure. That is all of human history. We keep working at it. The solution is not to force me to sell my 10 acres in Montana.
- throwaway290 3y ago
  "Waiting" = "no use".
  - sethammons 3y ago
    waiting is absolutely a use. It is just not a use you agree with. Waiting for how long? Now that is a discussion. Is it abandoned or not? There is a line. I've not heard any sane proposition on that that line is. If I go on sabbatical and the world goes on lock down and you cant get back to the house for a few years, it is absolute _insanity_ to demand that house be yielded to others.
    - throwaway290 3y ago
      I'm glad we agree that there is a line and there has to be regulation to enforce it.