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Makes sense. Reddit moderators are even more deluded about where the site's value is than they portray its owners to be. It is certainly not in the moderation w

Makes sense. Reddit moderators are even more deluded about where the site's value is than they portray its owners to be. It is certainly not in the moderation work, which many do to satisfy their need for power over others, and for each moderator there are 100 sycophants and narcissists lined up to take their place. The value is in the users, the people who create content. And to that end the freest, fairest, and most democratic choice is the individual's private decision to participate. Closing subs to protest takes that choice out of the hands of the user. Make organic posts to the site to raise awareness of any particular issue or cause you like, and let those get viewed and voted as they will. But using moderator powers to make these statements is an abuse of power and abuse of the user base, and it's exactly what I would expect from the archetype reddit moderator. I wouldn't be too upset to see a few get their comeuppance for it. I say this as someone who dislikes the reddit organization, the CEO, their lies and underhandedness, has been proudly perma banned from there, and would get some petty satisfaction from reading about them crashing and burning. But if people like it and want to use it and continue to participate in their communities they are a part of there, they should be permitted to.

8note 3y ago
The power-users and power-mods tend to overlap, so that's about the same group. People unhappy with moderator choices can do what they always did, make the community that matches what they want. > if people like it and want to use it and continue to participate ... Except the blind of course, or anyone else with accessibility needs. They'll be required to pay extra for access
- wh0knows 3y ago
  Reddit already made an exception for accessibility focused apps, so your last statement is not accurate. For your first point, the moderators don’t own the subreddits they moderate, so the users should not have to attempt to recreate a community every time they encounter a power-tripping moderator. The moderators are stewards that are supposed to reflect the desires of the community, not owners who get to control the ability to use that community based on their whims.
  - theshrike79 3y ago
    > Reddit already made an exception for accessibility focused apps, so your last statement is not accurate. Reddit picked two accessibility apps seemingly at random and ignored the requests of /r/Blind for example.
- throwawaylinux 3y ago
  > The power-users and power-mods tend to overlap, so that's about the same group. How does this dubious and unsourced claim address anything I wrote even if it were true? > People unhappy with moderator choices can do what they always did, make the community that matches what they want. You can't on one hand protest that people should "do the right thing" and on the other hand do the "well akshually the rules..." thing. Going by the rules and what has always been done, reddit's owners can remove moderators and set API pricing how they like. > ... Except the blind of course, or anyone else with accessibility needs. They'll be required to pay extra for access People who "have accessibility needs" can interact with computers and web pages. And it doesn't even present a coherent argument to what I wrote anyway, it's just an appeal to emotion. Users can not be trusted with the decision to participate in communities they built because doing so would be an attack on blind people? That dog won't hunt.
TMWNN 3y ago
>Makes sense. Reddit moderators are even more deluded about where the site's value is than they portray its owners to be. It is certainly not in the moderation work, which many do to satisfy their need for power over others Context for others: There are powermods who "moderate" hundreds of subreddits. This is not an exaggeration. Hundreds. At least one has/had thousands. When questioned, they invariably say that they "just watch the incoming queue" or something, and the other mods "do all the work". While likely true in the literal sense (again, hundreds), such answers of course completely evade the question. Remember, "Most of What You Read on the Internet is Written by Insane People" <https://np.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9rvroo/most_of_what_you_read_on_the_internet_is_written/ https://np.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9rvroo/most_...>. This also applies to powermods, assuming they're not being paid on the side to push some ideology. Basically, losers who crave ruling a petty fiefdom because it's the only thing they can exercise agency over in their lives. And/or are mentally ill. >and for each moderator there are 100 sycophants and narcissists lined up to take their place Correct. Most mods know this, which is why so many surrendered and reopened their subreddits the moment admins told them that otherwise they would be replaced. /r/formula1's mods forthrightly said as much; those of /r/nba claimed that negotiations had progressed far enough to justify reopening, which the thousands of replies show that the userbase 100% disbelieves. >Closing subs to protest takes that choice out of the hands of the user. Make organic posts to the site to raise awareness of any particular issue or cause you like, and let those get viewed and voted as they will. Even worse, a) /r/nba's top mod made more than 150 comments to six other NBA teams' subreddits during the blackout. b) /r/nba mods posted secret threads—including the Game 5 discussion that they denied from their own users—and made comments during the blackout. When users discovered the threads the mods of course scrubbed the comments, but there is no way for mods to actually delete (as opposed to hiding) posts, so evidence of their hypocritical behavior will live on forever. >I wouldn't be too upset to see a few get their comeuppance for it. We may yet see more than a few indeed get what they deserve, given the number of still-closed subreddits. I hope that when it happens it will be a ban on both accounts and IPs, so that as mods desperately log into alts each one get flagged and banned too. Bonus: Speaking of getting what they deserve, the classic post in which a mod thinks what he does is worth $175K a year <https://np.reddit.com/r/35orquit/comments/qw1v3e/what_do_people_here_think_of_reddits_moderators/ https://np.reddit.com/r/35orquit/comments/qw1v3e/what_do_peo...>. Be sure to read to the end, where he explains how he "saves lives".

8note 3y ago

The power-users and power-mods tend to overlap, so that's about the same group. People unhappy with moderator choices can do what they always did, make the community that matches what they want. > if people like it and want to use it and continue to participate ... Except the blind of course, or anyone else with accessibility needs. They'll be required to pay extra for access

wh0knows 3y ago
Reddit already made an exception for accessibility focused apps, so your last statement is not accurate. For your first point, the moderators don’t own the subreddits they moderate, so the users should not have to attempt to recreate a community every time they encounter a power-tripping moderator. The moderators are stewards that are supposed to reflect the desires of the community, not owners who get to control the ability to use that community based on their whims.
- theshrike79 3y ago
  > Reddit already made an exception for accessibility focused apps, so your last statement is not accurate. Reddit picked two accessibility apps seemingly at random and ignored the requests of /r/Blind for example.
throwawaylinux 3y ago
> The power-users and power-mods tend to overlap, so that's about the same group. How does this dubious and unsourced claim address anything I wrote even if it were true? > People unhappy with moderator choices can do what they always did, make the community that matches what they want. You can't on one hand protest that people should "do the right thing" and on the other hand do the "well akshually the rules..." thing. Going by the rules and what has always been done, reddit's owners can remove moderators and set API pricing how they like. > ... Except the blind of course, or anyone else with accessibility needs. They'll be required to pay extra for access People who "have accessibility needs" can interact with computers and web pages. And it doesn't even present a coherent argument to what I wrote anyway, it's just an appeal to emotion. Users can not be trusted with the decision to participate in communities they built because doing so would be an attack on blind people? That dog won't hunt.

TMWNN 3y ago

>Makes sense. Reddit moderators are even more deluded about where the site's value is than they portray its owners to be. It is certainly not in the moderation work, which many do to satisfy their need for power over others Context for others: There are powermods who "moderate" hundreds of subreddits. This is not an exaggeration. Hundreds. At least one has/had thousands. When questioned, they invariably say that they "just watch the incoming queue" or something, and the other mods "do all the work". While likely true in the literal sense (again, hundreds), such answers of course completely evade the question. Remember, "Most of What You Read on the Internet is Written by Insane People" <https://np.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9rvroo/most_of_what_you_read_on_the_internet_is_written/ https://np.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9rvroo/most_...>. This also applies to powermods, assuming they're not being paid on the side to push some ideology. Basically, losers who crave ruling a petty fiefdom because it's the only thing they can exercise agency over in their lives. And/or are mentally ill. >and for each moderator there are 100 sycophants and narcissists lined up to take their place Correct. Most mods know this, which is why so many surrendered and reopened their subreddits the moment admins told them that otherwise they would be replaced. /r/formula1's mods forthrightly said as much; those of /r/nba claimed that negotiations had progressed far enough to justify reopening, which the thousands of replies show that the userbase 100% disbelieves. >Closing subs to protest takes that choice out of the hands of the user. Make organic posts to the site to raise awareness of any particular issue or cause you like, and let those get viewed and voted as they will. Even worse, a) /r/nba's top mod made more than 150 comments to six other NBA teams' subreddits during the blackout. b) /r/nba mods posted secret threads—including the Game 5 discussion that they denied from their own users—and made comments during the blackout. When users discovered the threads the mods of course scrubbed the comments, but there is no way for mods to actually delete (as opposed to hiding) posts, so evidence of their hypocritical behavior will live on forever. >I wouldn't be too upset to see a few get their comeuppance for it. We may yet see more than a few indeed get what they deserve, given the number of still-closed subreddits. I hope that when it happens it will be a ban on both accounts and IPs, so that as mods desperately log into alts each one get flagged and banned too. Bonus: Speaking of getting what they deserve, the classic post in which a mod thinks what he does is worth $175K a year <https://np.reddit.com/r/35orquit/comments/qw1v3e/what_do_people_here_think_of_reddits_moderators/ https://np.reddit.com/r/35orquit/comments/qw1v3e/what_do_peo...>. Be sure to read to the end, where he explains how he "saves lives".