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Other commenter got it wrong. There are multiple dialects/languages (eg Gallego, Catalan) spoken in Spain that aren’t really common in the new world, the new wo

Other commenter got it wrong. There are multiple dialects/languages (eg Gallego, Catalan) spoken in Spain that aren’t really common in the new world, the new world dialects are mostly based on the Castilian (castellano) dialect which was and is the prestige/official Spanish dialect promoted by the government and which settlers likely had in common. In other words, “Español”could be thought of as a group of Spanish languages with “Castellano” being a distinct language within that group.

ahhwh71717 3y ago
I guess not to further muddy the waters but saying Gallego and Catalan come from Castellano is extremely problematic (though people do this, it’s still difficult to square factually) They all come from Vulgar Latin and depending on how you split it but Portuguese and Gallego come from a common ancestor and one has an easier time understanding Gallego if one speaks Portuguese than if one speaks only Spanish and Catalan would be a post until itself once we start discussing Occitan and Valencian, but it’s also not descended from Spanish (Gallo-Romance) TLDR I really wish people would stop according Castellano as an official language and a bunch of languages that are as older or older than Castellano as some dialect descending from Castellano. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician-Portuguese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician-Portuguese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language
- opportune 3y ago
  I didn’t say it came from Castellano! I’m saying they’re all three Spanish languages/dialects. Linguistically I would consider Gallego just as real a language or dialect as Castellano, it just happens that the central Spanish government historically made Castellano into their favored tongue and not Gallego. Castellano is the official language of the Spanish government from eg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Spanish_Academy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Spanish_Academy and of course decades of repression of regional languages under eg the Franco regime. I don’t mean official as in “the true language” I mean official as in “the Spanish government/regime/royal dialect for centuries”. To the point many people as you mention equate Castellano with “Spanish” which is just not true - I agree with you Maybe I am misunderstanding your comment but it's not me that is making Castillian "official" - I think it's bullshit that other Spanish languages aren't treated with more respect it's - the historical reality that it was accorded official status due to the political dominance of Castile and consequently the use of Castillian as a common tongue
  - wageslave99 3y ago
    How do you make a distinction between the language they speak in Castile(s) and the one that use in other regions and is official in all Spain? You can't. I speak Spanish but I'm not Castilian and has no relationship with those two regions (Castile-Leon and Castile-La Mancha).
- wageslave99 3y ago
  Galician is a language on its own! Indeed one of the most famous kings in medieval history in Spain (Alfonso X) wrote poems in Galician because he just liked the language[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantigas_de_Santa_Maria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantigas_de_Santa_Maria
  - ahhwh71717 3y ago
    Yes one of my favorites also, I’ve watched a couple of series in it and quite like it!
    - wageslave99 3y ago
      It's interesting that Alfonso X chose Galician as a poetic language instead of the most common one among their subjects (Spanish). He had Galician in a higher standard that Spanish. That's amazing considering the impact he had in the evolution of Spanish.
avgcorrection 3y ago
> Other commenter got it wrong. Are you sure? > There are multiple dialects/languages (eg Gallego, Catalan) spoken in Spain that aren’t really common in the new world, the new world dialects are mostly based on the Castilian (castellano) dialect which was and is the prestige/official Spanish dialect promoted by the government and which settlers likely had in common. Let’s see if e.g. Catalan is really relevant here. It clearly is not. Why? The original commenter brought up the supposed differences between “castellano” and “español” in the context of Cuban Spanish. The minority languages of Spain are completely irrelvant here. There are places in Latin America where they call their Spanish “castellano” (in Spanish). While other places call it “español”. And in that context they do just mean “Spanish”, since they have no reason to care about the minority languages of Spain. So my shot in the dark guess was that the original commenter meant to refer to the difference between Spanish spoken in Spain and Spanish spoken in Latin America.

ahhwh71717 3y ago

I guess not to further muddy the waters but saying Gallego and Catalan come from Castellano is extremely problematic (though people do this, it’s still difficult to square factually) They all come from Vulgar Latin and depending on how you split it but Portuguese and Gallego come from a common ancestor and one has an easier time understanding Gallego if one speaks Portuguese than if one speaks only Spanish and Catalan would be a post until itself once we start discussing Occitan and Valencian, but it’s also not descended from Spanish (Gallo-Romance) TLDR I really wish people would stop according Castellano as an official language and a bunch of languages that are as older or older than Castellano as some dialect descending from Castellano. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician-Portuguese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician-Portuguese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language

opportune 3y ago
I didn’t say it came from Castellano! I’m saying they’re all three Spanish languages/dialects. Linguistically I would consider Gallego just as real a language or dialect as Castellano, it just happens that the central Spanish government historically made Castellano into their favored tongue and not Gallego. Castellano is the official language of the Spanish government from eg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Spanish_Academy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Spanish_Academy and of course decades of repression of regional languages under eg the Franco regime. I don’t mean official as in “the true language” I mean official as in “the Spanish government/regime/royal dialect for centuries”. To the point many people as you mention equate Castellano with “Spanish” which is just not true - I agree with you Maybe I am misunderstanding your comment but it's not me that is making Castillian "official" - I think it's bullshit that other Spanish languages aren't treated with more respect it's - the historical reality that it was accorded official status due to the political dominance of Castile and consequently the use of Castillian as a common tongue
- wageslave99 3y ago
  How do you make a distinction between the language they speak in Castile(s) and the one that use in other regions and is official in all Spain? You can't. I speak Spanish but I'm not Castilian and has no relationship with those two regions (Castile-Leon and Castile-La Mancha).
wageslave99 3y ago
Galician is a language on its own! Indeed one of the most famous kings in medieval history in Spain (Alfonso X) wrote poems in Galician because he just liked the language[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantigas_de_Santa_Maria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantigas_de_Santa_Maria
- ahhwh71717 3y ago
  Yes one of my favorites also, I’ve watched a couple of series in it and quite like it!
  - wageslave99 3y ago
    It's interesting that Alfonso X chose Galician as a poetic language instead of the most common one among their subjects (Spanish). He had Galician in a higher standard that Spanish. That's amazing considering the impact he had in the evolution of Spanish.

avgcorrection 3y ago

> Other commenter got it wrong. Are you sure? > There are multiple dialects/languages (eg Gallego, Catalan) spoken in Spain that aren’t really common in the new world, the new world dialects are mostly based on the Castilian (castellano) dialect which was and is the prestige/official Spanish dialect promoted by the government and which settlers likely had in common. Let’s see if e.g. Catalan is really relevant here. It clearly is not. Why? The original commenter brought up the supposed differences between “castellano” and “español” in the context of Cuban Spanish. The minority languages of Spain are completely irrelvant here. There are places in Latin America where they call their Spanish “castellano” (in Spanish). While other places call it “español”. And in that context they do just mean “Spanish”, since they have no reason to care about the minority languages of Spain. So my shot in the dark guess was that the original commenter meant to refer to the difference between Spanish spoken in Spain and Spanish spoken in Latin America.