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Drive through this county everyday. The tricks they got up their sleeve are impressive if you don’t have a local plate. RIP to Illinois and Cali plates. ETA: Y

Drive through this county everyday. The tricks they got up their sleeve are impressive if you don’t have a local plate. RIP to Illinois and Cali plates. ETA: Yes, everyday you drive through this county you will see cops searching vehicles (usually out of state plates, CO/CA/IL the most obvious). Almost feel bad for legit people driving through I80 with out of state plates, but the's what happens when you have a low population state with a major thoroughfare. They have some really clever social engineering tactics too that a former worker of mine tipped me on.

Buttons840 3y ago
Do they have warrants to search to vehicles, or do they trick people into agreeing to the search? Or maybe they have a dog that does something like breathe near the vehicle, which is clearly cause for suspicion (\s)?
- raincom 3y ago
  They use legally sanctioned loopholes wrt fourth amendment: four legged warrants = dog sniff
- kickout 3y ago
  All of the above. Id say >90% don't have a warrant and make up some weak PC (the mentioned air freshener in rear view mirror is popular).
- boomboomsubban 3y ago
  The case in the story had the officers request a search, which was denied, then bring in a drug dog that responded despite no drugs being found.
- WatchDog 3y ago
  I imagine most people consent to a search, and they do the dog trick to search those that don’t.
arcticbull 3y ago
> ... but the's what happens when you have a low population state with a major thoroughfare. Well, not really - that's what happens when you don't fully fund your law enforcement at a state or federal level and instead leave them to fund themselves through fines and seizures. Local authorities shouldn't be allowed to keep a single penny of anything they seize or any fines they rack up. They should be fully funded by higher-level authorities based on demonstrated need. The current setup is rife with obvious moral hazard.
- hparadiz 3y ago
  Ftfy: They should be in prison. It's not our responsibility to fund every bumblefuck police force with a staff of 5 in a town with a population of 500. They shouldn't even have jurisdiction on a federally funded interstate.
  - arcticbull 3y ago
    Of course they should be in prison, but the goal is also to stop them from doing this in the future, which is easily achievable be eliminating their incentive. They're not going to do it just for the money if they don't get any of it. Once there's no incentive, jail the rest. > It's not our responsibility to fund every bumblefuck police force with a staff of 5 in a town with a population of 500. They shouldn't even have jurisdiction on a federally funded interstate. Either fund it or shut it down. Either is fine with me. It's the extant-but-unfunded middle ground that's obviously broken.
    - kickout 3y ago
      I think it's simply a matter of bad incentives. Cops get to keep 50% (or some number) of what they seize? A bunch of anonymous people driving through with no ties to the community? Open season is the prevailing thought. Don't know where you put seized assets though because it gets sticky wherever they go.
- kickout 3y ago
  They don't need funding. Seward county is virtually no/low crime. They likely could get by with a handful of officers, which the tax payers would likely gladly pay. No a lot of need for LE with 10K residents in the county in arguably the middle of no where (yes, it's ~20 from the capital of the state)

Buttons840 3y ago

Do they have warrants to search to vehicles, or do they trick people into agreeing to the search? Or maybe they have a dog that does something like breathe near the vehicle, which is clearly cause for suspicion (\s)?

raincom 3y ago
They use legally sanctioned loopholes wrt fourth amendment: four legged warrants = dog sniff
kickout 3y ago
All of the above. Id say >90% don't have a warrant and make up some weak PC (the mentioned air freshener in rear view mirror is popular).
boomboomsubban 3y ago
The case in the story had the officers request a search, which was denied, then bring in a drug dog that responded despite no drugs being found.
WatchDog 3y ago
I imagine most people consent to a search, and they do the dog trick to search those that don’t.

arcticbull 3y ago

> ... but the's what happens when you have a low population state with a major thoroughfare. Well, not really - that's what happens when you don't fully fund your law enforcement at a state or federal level and instead leave them to fund themselves through fines and seizures. Local authorities shouldn't be allowed to keep a single penny of anything they seize or any fines they rack up. They should be fully funded by higher-level authorities based on demonstrated need. The current setup is rife with obvious moral hazard.

hparadiz 3y ago
Ftfy: They should be in prison. It's not our responsibility to fund every bumblefuck police force with a staff of 5 in a town with a population of 500. They shouldn't even have jurisdiction on a federally funded interstate.
- arcticbull 3y ago
  Of course they should be in prison, but the goal is also to stop them from doing this in the future, which is easily achievable be eliminating their incentive. They're not going to do it just for the money if they don't get any of it. Once there's no incentive, jail the rest. > It's not our responsibility to fund every bumblefuck police force with a staff of 5 in a town with a population of 500. They shouldn't even have jurisdiction on a federally funded interstate. Either fund it or shut it down. Either is fine with me. It's the extant-but-unfunded middle ground that's obviously broken.
  - kickout 3y ago
    I think it's simply a matter of bad incentives. Cops get to keep 50% (or some number) of what they seize? A bunch of anonymous people driving through with no ties to the community? Open season is the prevailing thought. Don't know where you put seized assets though because it gets sticky wherever they go.
kickout 3y ago
They don't need funding. Seward county is virtually no/low crime. They likely could get by with a handful of officers, which the tax payers would likely gladly pay. No a lot of need for LE with 10K residents in the county in arguably the middle of no where (yes, it's ~20 from the capital of the state)