Well yes of course. Its measured in quality of work, deadlines missed, projects stalled Week over Week, projects/upgrades that have basic steps missed that caus

Well yes of course. Its measured in quality of work, deadlines missed, projects stalled Week over Week, projects/upgrades that have basic steps missed that cause break/fix engagements etc. etc. And on the whole those things are higher with many of my remote staff than on-prem. Its all tracked in Jira. Also some jobs have ebs and flows of work and not everything is measured in binary pass/fail ways. And there are times when you need someone to engage even when it’s not traditionally busy. I have had my remote employees tell me things when a "fire"/break-fix event starts and we call to engage during business hours often when that employee has been online all day to that point but now needs to be in a position to suddenly collaborate or share their screen. "Power just went out" "I am in the car" "Internet is out" (we pay for their internet AND a mifi) "My kids is sick" Never gotten any of that from someone in office, worst case I have to grab them from the breakroom or they are clear cut out with a sick kid or helping their wife. Or they walk up unprompted and say they have to leave to deal with wife or kids. Those examples where a small sample and werent that, they werent unprompted my kid is sick i need to take the day they were said once something was assigned or they are asked to engage. Peers have had similar where their direct reports are awol and they start getting texts from constituents saying “have you seen or heard from so and so, it’s been hours” Again, I have some that are NEVER a problem and even more productive in the office. I totally support that. But since COVID I would say thats only been about 25% of my direct reports. It’s certainly not the majority. Some have, unfortunately, been let go as a result. Unfortunately Executive leadership is seeing this in the non-tech divisions too and are now mandating less remote work. My point of the original comment is to point out that the folks here may have a bit of bias as it tends to have very highly motivated folks that may even be more productive when given a wide berth. I do that too with the folks that can manage it. But on the whole those are not the majority and arguably even exceptions to the rule and its those that are abusing this that are causing it to become policies to return to the office. One of my takeaways from COVID is that many adults dont have the self-discipline or self-motivation to be fully remote 100% or even 40%. Again not everyone but many/most.