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It's not the same thing, Hola was found to use clients as exit nodes, which is definitely an abuse of client trust, resources, and potentially exposing them to
by ajnin 3y ago
It's not the same thing, Hola was found to use clients as exit nodes, which is definitely an abuse of client trust, resources, and potentially exposing them to major legal trouble or otherwise, but I don't think that can be considered a botnet, whereas the VPN app in question here is pulling lists of URLs from control sites and then directly sending requests to them, so it operates in the C&C fashion of a botnet.
- berkle4455 3y ago> Hola was found to use clients as exit nodes Hola is ran by luminati/bright data which absolutely are pure scum scam botnet-enabling shitbag company.
- lll-o-lll 3y agoYes, but it is a different type of scum. We need to correctly categorise the scum or it’ll be chaos!
- poink 3y agoI couldn’t disagree more. Scum is scum. The people who can discern the difference are few and far between, and we shouldn’t muddy the waters between different types of scum for the already-overwhelmed layperson. Most people exclusively care about scum vs. not scum, and all but vuln-dev level sources shouldn’t distinguish. Maybe HN fell on the savvy side of this at one point, but it was so long ago…
- dtjb 3y agoI appreciate the specificity, especially on a forum of tech-inclined users and collapsible comments.
- poink 3y agoIf you’re “tech-inclined” enough to understand the difference, how does it alter your behavior?
- irjustin 3y agoI appreciated the distinction to help form my own opinion. I believe there are varying degrees of scummy-ness and appreciate someone not trying to "decide for me"
- poink 3y agoI feel like your “teach the controversy” response just reinforces my point.
- imagineerschool 3y agoWho hurt you? I can't believe that "Nuance is unacceptable" is the position you really want to go with.
- lynx23 3y ago[flagged]
- concordDance 3y agoBecause we're actually quite bad at understanding people's motives (e.g. fundamental attribution error). Not to mention the various ways information gets biased as it flows through people and institutions.
- concordDance 3y agoI don't follow the logic. I will note your posts are reading as activism/consensus building, which gets people removed from hackernews. So you might want to dial it down.
- concordDance 3y agoThis kind of muddy thinking has hurt a LOT of people. Nuance matters! While the guy who makes sexist jokes and the guy who will rape you if ever alone with you are both scum, that difference really really matters.
- omniglottal 3y agoYou mean "scums up" the waters, no?
- barbazoo 3y agoAt the end of day that's what matters.
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