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But even us as humans (or anything with biological intelligence) infers the rules from data. The only thing is — we start collecting data since birth and we al

But even us as humans (or anything with biological intelligence) infers the rules from data. The only thing is — we start collecting data since birth and we also don’t have to pay for every little thing we put in front of our eyes. If you’re training an AI, you have to pay for data. If you generate some of your training data, you pay a little less. (Also I think we ask of AI more than we ask of humans. For example, it’s common to be face blind of ethnicities you’re not familiar with but we get pissed if an AI is face blind at all.)

mabbo 3y ago
> But even us as humans (or anything with biological intelligence) infers the rules from data. No, I don't agree with this. My point is that we can learn from higher level information than raw data. I can give you the formula of a complex mathematical function over 3 variables, and provide no data points. You'll be able to tell me with perfect accuracy what values match the formula and which don't.
- thrashh 3y ago
  Yeah but to get to that point, you had to ingest a lot of data (i.e. all those exercises in the book).
a2128 3y ago
We ask of AI more than we ask of humans because AI can have a much greater reach than one person at the same task. If you're just one guy who's face blind, no one really cares and you can't cause that much damage unless you're a border agent or something. Even then, it's not like you're affecting every single person passing through your country's border, just the ones who happened to be in the right (wrong?) place at the right time. But if you deploy a face-blind AI as a security system that discriminates against minorities in thousands of establishments, suddenly it's like having thousands of clones of the same face-blind human and it can affect millions of people. If we're effectively making that many clones of a human, it better be good at its job
- thrashh 3y ago
  I’m not trying to put a value / ethical question. I’m just justifying why data for this purpose is so much more expensive.

mabbo 3y ago

> But even us as humans (or anything with biological intelligence) infers the rules from data. No, I don't agree with this. My point is that we can learn from higher level information than raw data. I can give you the formula of a complex mathematical function over 3 variables, and provide no data points. You'll be able to tell me with perfect accuracy what values match the formula and which don't.

thrashh 3y ago
Yeah but to get to that point, you had to ingest a lot of data (i.e. all those exercises in the book).

a2128 3y ago

We ask of AI more than we ask of humans because AI can have a much greater reach than one person at the same task. If you're just one guy who's face blind, no one really cares and you can't cause that much damage unless you're a border agent or something. Even then, it's not like you're affecting every single person passing through your country's border, just the ones who happened to be in the right (wrong?) place at the right time. But if you deploy a face-blind AI as a security system that discriminates against minorities in thousands of establishments, suddenly it's like having thousands of clones of the same face-blind human and it can affect millions of people. If we're effectively making that many clones of a human, it better be good at its job

thrashh 3y ago
I’m not trying to put a value / ethical question. I’m just justifying why data for this purpose is so much more expensive.