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What do you mean with "castellano" vs "español"? I'm a native speaker and over here we call the language in general "castellano". For me the two words are synon

by hsush 3y ago

What do you mean with "castellano" vs "español"? I'm a native speaker and over here we call the language in general "castellano". For me the two words are synonymous (i.e. both refer to the general language, not to some specific dialect).

avgcorrection 3y ago
Presumably that Castellano is Latin American Spanish and Español is Spanish Spanish.
- wageslave99 3y ago
  Nop, both are ways of calling the same language. The Spanish Royal Academy makes it clear: https://www.rae.es/dpd/espa%C3%B1ol https://www.rae.es/dpd/espa%C3%B1ol
  - avgcorrection 3y ago
    But your answer doesn’t make sense in this context. The original commenter used both of these words as if they were different. So clearly they didn’t mean that they are both “ways of calling the same language”. Some Latin Americans will call their language Castellano. Then my guess—since one can only guess what the hell people mean—was that this has something to do with the difference between Spanish from Spain and Spanish from whatever Latin American country. (But who knows?) Furthermore, you’ll see that the original context was Cuban Spanish versus whatever “Spanish” without any adjective means. Do you really think that your little pet peeve about the intra-politics of Spanish languages are relevant in this context? People weren’t talking about the differences between Catalan and Spanish! > The Spanish Royal Academy makes it clear: https://www.rae.es/dpd/espa%C3%B1ol https://www.rae.es/dpd/espa%C3%B1ol Since you’re so sensitive to minority languages and whatnot, maybe you’ll understand that “settlers” might have their own words that might deviate from an Academy based in Spain.
    - anthk 3y ago
      The Royal Academy covers every dialect of Spanish and their lexicon it's composed of all the Spanish language words spoken from Mexico to Patagonia among Iberia. It's dictionary has nearly every Spanish term registered, no matter which side of the Atlantic you choose. RAE doesn't dictate which dialect of the Spanish it's the "correct" one. Every Spanish language subdialect it's the correct one. For instance, the spelling of z/c before a-o-u/e-i as either /s/ or /th/ depends on the dialect you choose. https://dle.rae.es/c https://dle.rae.es/c
    - wageslave99 3y ago
      All Spanish language spoken in all countries is subject to the rules of the Royal Academy of Spanish[1] and the Association of the Academies of Spanish Language[2]. Both institutions work together in keeping an up-to-date dictionary with terms from speakers of all parts of the world. To counter-point your claims, there are a myriad of dialects of Spanish inside Spain. Some of them even are similar to the ones used in Hispanic-America. I'm not talking about the other languages of Spain: Aragonese, Asturian, Basque, Catalan, Galician, Valencian, Extremaduran, etc. I'm only talking about the language that is official in all Spain, Spanish (and its dialects). [1] https://www.rae.es/ https://www.rae.es/ [2] https://www.asale.org/ https://www.asale.org/
opportune 3y ago
Other commenter got it wrong. There are multiple dialects/languages (eg Gallego, Catalan) spoken in Spain that aren’t really common in the new world, the new world dialects are mostly based on the Castilian (castellano) dialect which was and is the prestige/official Spanish dialect promoted by the government and which settlers likely had in common. In other words, “Español”could be thought of as a group of Spanish languages with “Castellano” being a distinct language within that group.
- ahhwh71717 3y ago
  I guess not to further muddy the waters but saying Gallego and Catalan come from Castellano is extremely problematic (though people do this, it’s still difficult to square factually) They all come from Vulgar Latin and depending on how you split it but Portuguese and Gallego come from a common ancestor and one has an easier time understanding Gallego if one speaks Portuguese than if one speaks only Spanish and Catalan would be a post until itself once we start discussing Occitan and Valencian, but it’s also not descended from Spanish (Gallo-Romance) TLDR I really wish people would stop according Castellano as an official language and a bunch of languages that are as older or older than Castellano as some dialect descending from Castellano. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician-Portuguese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician-Portuguese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language
  - opportune 3y ago
    I didn’t say it came from Castellano! I’m saying they’re all three Spanish languages/dialects. Linguistically I would consider Gallego just as real a language or dialect as Castellano, it just happens that the central Spanish government historically made Castellano into their favored tongue and not Gallego. Castellano is the official language of the Spanish government from eg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Spanish_Academy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Spanish_Academy and of course decades of repression of regional languages under eg the Franco regime. I don’t mean official as in “the true language” I mean official as in “the Spanish government/regime/royal dialect for centuries”. To the point many people as you mention equate Castellano with “Spanish” which is just not true - I agree with you Maybe I am misunderstanding your comment but it's not me that is making Castillian "official" - I think it's bullshit that other Spanish languages aren't treated with more respect it's - the historical reality that it was accorded official status due to the political dominance of Castile and consequently the use of Castillian as a common tongue
hibikir 3y ago
Some people will use the term castellano as a way to refer to Spanish, as spoken in Spain, as opposed to 'español de España". They probably aren't looking too deeply into the differences between speakers in Spain though, as when one compares a speaker from, say, Asturias, who will probably never use half of the past tenses, and might even use an even more irregular version of ser, vs someone from different parts of Andalucia, where you could cut the /s/ sound, or the /c/ sound, or the /z/ sound, or even multiples. Ultimately the fun part of talking about languages is that no matter how much one person might believe that their terms are clear and unambiguous, if the community of speakers is large enough, you are bound to find competing meanings either way.

by hsush 3y ago

avgcorrection 3y ago

Presumably that Castellano is Latin American Spanish and Español is Spanish Spanish.

wageslave99 3y ago
Nop, both are ways of calling the same language. The Spanish Royal Academy makes it clear: https://www.rae.es/dpd/espa%C3%B1ol https://www.rae.es/dpd/espa%C3%B1ol
- avgcorrection 3y ago
  But your answer doesn’t make sense in this context. The original commenter used both of these words as if they were different. So clearly they didn’t mean that they are both “ways of calling the same language”. Some Latin Americans will call their language Castellano. Then my guess—since one can only guess what the hell people mean—was that this has something to do with the difference between Spanish from Spain and Spanish from whatever Latin American country. (But who knows?) Furthermore, you’ll see that the original context was Cuban Spanish versus whatever “Spanish” without any adjective means. Do you really think that your little pet peeve about the intra-politics of Spanish languages are relevant in this context? People weren’t talking about the differences between Catalan and Spanish! > The Spanish Royal Academy makes it clear: https://www.rae.es/dpd/espa%C3%B1ol https://www.rae.es/dpd/espa%C3%B1ol Since you’re so sensitive to minority languages and whatnot, maybe you’ll understand that “settlers” might have their own words that might deviate from an Academy based in Spain.
  - anthk 3y ago
    The Royal Academy covers every dialect of Spanish and their lexicon it's composed of all the Spanish language words spoken from Mexico to Patagonia among Iberia. It's dictionary has nearly every Spanish term registered, no matter which side of the Atlantic you choose. RAE doesn't dictate which dialect of the Spanish it's the "correct" one. Every Spanish language subdialect it's the correct one. For instance, the spelling of z/c before a-o-u/e-i as either /s/ or /th/ depends on the dialect you choose. https://dle.rae.es/c https://dle.rae.es/c
  - wageslave99 3y ago
    All Spanish language spoken in all countries is subject to the rules of the Royal Academy of Spanish[1] and the Association of the Academies of Spanish Language[2]. Both institutions work together in keeping an up-to-date dictionary with terms from speakers of all parts of the world. To counter-point your claims, there are a myriad of dialects of Spanish inside Spain. Some of them even are similar to the ones used in Hispanic-America. I'm not talking about the other languages of Spain: Aragonese, Asturian, Basque, Catalan, Galician, Valencian, Extremaduran, etc. I'm only talking about the language that is official in all Spain, Spanish (and its dialects). [1] https://www.rae.es/ https://www.rae.es/ [2] https://www.asale.org/ https://www.asale.org/

opportune 3y ago

Other commenter got it wrong. There are multiple dialects/languages (eg Gallego, Catalan) spoken in Spain that aren’t really common in the new world, the new world dialects are mostly based on the Castilian (castellano) dialect which was and is the prestige/official Spanish dialect promoted by the government and which settlers likely had in common. In other words, “Español”could be thought of as a group of Spanish languages with “Castellano” being a distinct language within that group.

ahhwh71717 3y ago
I guess not to further muddy the waters but saying Gallego and Catalan come from Castellano is extremely problematic (though people do this, it’s still difficult to square factually) They all come from Vulgar Latin and depending on how you split it but Portuguese and Gallego come from a common ancestor and one has an easier time understanding Gallego if one speaks Portuguese than if one speaks only Spanish and Catalan would be a post until itself once we start discussing Occitan and Valencian, but it’s also not descended from Spanish (Gallo-Romance) TLDR I really wish people would stop according Castellano as an official language and a bunch of languages that are as older or older than Castellano as some dialect descending from Castellano. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician-Portuguese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician-Portuguese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language
- opportune 3y ago
  I didn’t say it came from Castellano! I’m saying they’re all three Spanish languages/dialects. Linguistically I would consider Gallego just as real a language or dialect as Castellano, it just happens that the central Spanish government historically made Castellano into their favored tongue and not Gallego. Castellano is the official language of the Spanish government from eg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Spanish_Academy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Spanish_Academy and of course decades of repression of regional languages under eg the Franco regime. I don’t mean official as in “the true language” I mean official as in “the Spanish government/regime/royal dialect for centuries”. To the point many people as you mention equate Castellano with “Spanish” which is just not true - I agree with you Maybe I am misunderstanding your comment but it's not me that is making Castillian "official" - I think it's bullshit that other Spanish languages aren't treated with more respect it's - the historical reality that it was accorded official status due to the political dominance of Castile and consequently the use of Castillian as a common tongue

hibikir 3y ago

Some people will use the term castellano as a way to refer to Spanish, as spoken in Spain, as opposed to 'español de España". They probably aren't looking too deeply into the differences between speakers in Spain though, as when one compares a speaker from, say, Asturias, who will probably never use half of the past tenses, and might even use an even more irregular version of ser, vs someone from different parts of Andalucia, where you could cut the /s/ sound, or the /c/ sound, or the /z/ sound, or even multiples. Ultimately the fun part of talking about languages is that no matter how much one person might believe that their terms are clear and unambiguous, if the community of speakers is large enough, you are bound to find competing meanings either way.