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Read the safety data sheet, see what precautions are needed and then ask an average residential roundup user if they care at all about following those instructi

Read the safety data sheet, see what precautions are needed and then ask an average residential roundup user if they care at all about following those instructions.

cyberax 3y ago
The precautions for glyphosate are basically "don't drink that". My dishwasher detergent has sterner warnings. Heck, Tide pods are just as dangerous. That's because the principal "danger" of glyphosate formulations comes from surfactants. Pure glyphosate by itself is pretty benign.
- 29athrowaway 3y ago
  Then you didn't read the SDS.
  - cyberax 3y ago
    Here's an MSDS for glyphosate: https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/agrian-cg-fs1-production/pdfs/Glyphosate_4_Plus_Herbicide_(091307)_MSDS.pdf https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/agrian-cg-fs1-production/... * No more than slightly toxic and no significant adverse health effects are expected to develop if a small amount (less than a mouthful) is swallowed. * May be slightly irritating to the skin. Here's an MSDS for dishwashing liquid: https://hesco.ca/pdf/msds/J429%20MSDS_E-5%20%20DISH%20MACHINE%20SOAP.pdf https://hesco.ca/pdf/msds/J429%20MSDS_E-5%20%20DISH%20MACHIN... When working with it, you're supposed to: * Wear appropriate protective equipment. * Wear protective clothing as necessary to prevent skin contact. * Chemical goggles. Wear a face shield if splashing hazards exists. * Repeat or prolonged exposure may cause damage to lungs. * Harmful if swallowed. Causes burns to mouth, throat and stomach. * Corrosive to skin. Causes severe burns. * Corrosive to eyes. Causes severe burns.
    - 29athrowaway 3y ago
      This is the one sold to residential consumers, and the one used by most lawn care companies. https://labelsds.com/images/user_uploads/Roundup%20Pro%20Conc%20SDS%208-12-20.pdf https://labelsds.com/images/user_uploads/Roundup%20Pro%20Con... "Remove soiled clothing immediately and clean thoroughly before using again. Wash thoroughly and put on clean clothing. Keep working clothes separately. Garments that cannot be cleaned must be destroyed (burnt)." "Chemical-resistant gloves (barrier laminate, butyl rubber, nitrile rubber or Viton) Wash gloves when contaminated. Dispose of when contaminated inside, when perforated or when contamination on the outside cannot be removed. Wash hands frequently and always before eating, drinking, smoking or using the toilet." "Use tightly sealed goggles and face protection." "Wear long-sleeved shirt and long pants and shoes plus socks" No residential user cares about any of this.
      - cyberax 3y ago
        MSDS in general are crap. They require wearing full PPE to work with table salt (not kidding, see: https://www.intrepidpotash.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Moab-Salt-SDS-3-13-2017.pdf https://www.intrepidpotash.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Mo... ). Manufacturers use them to cover their asses. Glyphosate is a true victim of post-truth society. It has not been shown to cause any harm in multiple well-controlled experiments, yet a jury in San Francisco (no brains allowed there) found Monsanto liable for a cancer that they attributed to glyphosate use. Because Monsanto is bad and does GM food which is bad for you because glyphosate causes cancer. And now "everybody knows" that glyphosate is somehow bad. The toxicology section of the MSDS with actual information is great, though: SECTION 11: TOXICOLOGICAL INFORMATION Eye Causes moderate eye irritation. Skin May cause slight irritation. Ingestion Not expected to produce significant adverse effects when recommended use instructions are followed. Inhalation Not expected to produce significant adverse effects when recommended use instructions are followed. Information on toxicological effects Acute oral toxicity LD50 (Rat) > 5,000 mg/kg Acute dermal toxicity LD50 (Rat) > 5,000 mg/kg No deaths Skin corrosion/irritation Slight irritant effect - does not require labelling. Basically, they have not managed to cause dermal toxicity even after slathering rats in glyphosate. Yet you must burn clothes if glyphosate gets on them. Here's an overview from NIH: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5515989/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5515989/

Read the safety data sheet, see what precautions are needed and then ask an average residential roundup user if they care at all about following those instructions.

cyberax 3y ago

The precautions for glyphosate are basically "don't drink that". My dishwasher detergent has sterner warnings. Heck, Tide pods are just as dangerous. That's because the principal "danger" of glyphosate formulations comes from surfactants. Pure glyphosate by itself is pretty benign.

29athrowaway 3y ago
Then you didn't read the SDS.
- cyberax 3y ago
  Here's an MSDS for glyphosate: https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/agrian-cg-fs1-production/pdfs/Glyphosate_4_Plus_Herbicide_(091307)_MSDS.pdf https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/agrian-cg-fs1-production/... * No more than slightly toxic and no significant adverse health effects are expected to develop if a small amount (less than a mouthful) is swallowed. * May be slightly irritating to the skin. Here's an MSDS for dishwashing liquid: https://hesco.ca/pdf/msds/J429%20MSDS_E-5%20%20DISH%20MACHINE%20SOAP.pdf https://hesco.ca/pdf/msds/J429%20MSDS_E-5%20%20DISH%20MACHIN... When working with it, you're supposed to: * Wear appropriate protective equipment. * Wear protective clothing as necessary to prevent skin contact. * Chemical goggles. Wear a face shield if splashing hazards exists. * Repeat or prolonged exposure may cause damage to lungs. * Harmful if swallowed. Causes burns to mouth, throat and stomach. * Corrosive to skin. Causes severe burns. * Corrosive to eyes. Causes severe burns.
  - 29athrowaway 3y ago
    This is the one sold to residential consumers, and the one used by most lawn care companies. https://labelsds.com/images/user_uploads/Roundup%20Pro%20Conc%20SDS%208-12-20.pdf https://labelsds.com/images/user_uploads/Roundup%20Pro%20Con... "Remove soiled clothing immediately and clean thoroughly before using again. Wash thoroughly and put on clean clothing. Keep working clothes separately. Garments that cannot be cleaned must be destroyed (burnt)." "Chemical-resistant gloves (barrier laminate, butyl rubber, nitrile rubber or Viton) Wash gloves when contaminated. Dispose of when contaminated inside, when perforated or when contamination on the outside cannot be removed. Wash hands frequently and always before eating, drinking, smoking or using the toilet." "Use tightly sealed goggles and face protection." "Wear long-sleeved shirt and long pants and shoes plus socks" No residential user cares about any of this.
    - cyberax 3y ago
      MSDS in general are crap. They require wearing full PPE to work with table salt (not kidding, see: https://www.intrepidpotash.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Moab-Salt-SDS-3-13-2017.pdf https://www.intrepidpotash.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Mo... ). Manufacturers use them to cover their asses. Glyphosate is a true victim of post-truth society. It has not been shown to cause any harm in multiple well-controlled experiments, yet a jury in San Francisco (no brains allowed there) found Monsanto liable for a cancer that they attributed to glyphosate use. Because Monsanto is bad and does GM food which is bad for you because glyphosate causes cancer. And now "everybody knows" that glyphosate is somehow bad. The toxicology section of the MSDS with actual information is great, though: SECTION 11: TOXICOLOGICAL INFORMATION Eye Causes moderate eye irritation. Skin May cause slight irritation. Ingestion Not expected to produce significant adverse effects when recommended use instructions are followed. Inhalation Not expected to produce significant adverse effects when recommended use instructions are followed. Information on toxicological effects Acute oral toxicity LD50 (Rat) > 5,000 mg/kg Acute dermal toxicity LD50 (Rat) > 5,000 mg/kg No deaths Skin corrosion/irritation Slight irritant effect - does not require labelling. Basically, they have not managed to cause dermal toxicity even after slathering rats in glyphosate. Yet you must burn clothes if glyphosate gets on them. Here's an overview from NIH: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5515989/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5515989/