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> WFH people don’t have a reason to insist that their colleagues WFH One potential reason is that some companies don't treat WFH employees as first class citiz

> WFH people don’t have a reason to insist that their colleagues WFH One potential reason is that some companies don't treat WFH employees as first class citizens, and due to various reasons in-person employees get ahead, get better projects, are promoted more, etc. I think I agree with the child comment saying companies probably have to pick one.

throwawaysleep 3y ago
I will happily give up all career progression for remote work. I am fine being in the bucket of impossible to promote.
- undersuit 3y ago
  But you're not impossible to promote... maybe you also don't think that but also don't cast yourself as that if you're remote. The boss is choosing to find you impossible to promote.
  - hunter-gatherer 3y ago
    I get what he is saying though. Now that I work remote I am mich more content not making more money via promotions. There are costs to being fully remote, and if one of them is that my career progression is heavily stunted or even halted, I'm ok with that now, because I don't spend 1.5 hours in a car 5 days a week. Tradeoffs.
  - throwawaysleep 3y ago
    I want to cast myself as that. With remote, I don't care if you invest in me. I don't care if I get along with co-workers. I desire no advancement. I am willing to work on the boring dreck of projects. Give me remote and you can screw up everything else. I am happy being a lifeless drone while remote.
    - CBarkleyU 3y ago
      I might be the luckiest person in the world, but my first real job (full time), was during the pandemic and straight WFH (I have worked on premise for years before that. Part time, as a student). I feel such a good connection to my colleagues, some of whom I have never met in real life. Honestly thinking of inviting a few of them to my wedding. We always tattle before and after meetings, we have our own injokes, I've been welcomed and cared for really well as a new employee by them. Work is going really well, and even in stressful times I always feels like my colleagues have my back and I have theirs. And every once in a while when we do meet up, its like a family reunion. Jeez, now that I'm thinking about, I really do have struck gold. Maybe I should stick around a little longer before I make the jump to a (even) better paying job...
    - smeej 3y ago
      I had a similar conversation with my newly hired manager recently. She was saying, "But you're so capable! I could sew your career going so many directions!" I told her I like what I do, and I love how little it demands of me. I have no desire whatsoever to devote more of my time and energy to work for the sake of more money or career "advancement." I'm perfectly content with the idea of continuing to do the same work for the same pay, as long as it keeps pace with inflation. There is nothing I want or need that I don't have or couldn't get as things are. My desires are right-sized for my role. And I'm not even a 6-figure earner. I just also don't want things that require it, like living in a major city or traveling. Don't try to force me forward into a role or life you think I should want just because I could have it. I already have what I want, and I wouldn't trade contentment for any of that stuff other people have.
- omgwtfbyobbq 3y ago
  These days, meaningful pay increases, promotions, and other things generally require moving to a new company anyway, so not being in a pool of candidates for internal promotions/etc isn't as bad as it used to be.
  - throwawaysleep 3y ago
    Precisely. I wish I could just tell my manager that so we could skip 1 on 1s. If I want a raise, I am going for interviews.
  - Tao3300 3y ago
    Ding ding ding. Another way the power dynamic has been shattered. I could very well be applying for other jobs from my personal computer while I'm in a meeting on my work computer. They don't want to give you a carrot to stay. They want to bring you a into the office so they can reach you more easily with a stick.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    Not just these days. That's how it's been for decades.

throwawaysleep 3y ago

I will happily give up all career progression for remote work. I am fine being in the bucket of impossible to promote.

undersuit 3y ago
But you're not impossible to promote... maybe you also don't think that but also don't cast yourself as that if you're remote. The boss is choosing to find you impossible to promote.
- hunter-gatherer 3y ago
  I get what he is saying though. Now that I work remote I am mich more content not making more money via promotions. There are costs to being fully remote, and if one of them is that my career progression is heavily stunted or even halted, I'm ok with that now, because I don't spend 1.5 hours in a car 5 days a week. Tradeoffs.
- throwawaysleep 3y ago
  I want to cast myself as that. With remote, I don't care if you invest in me. I don't care if I get along with co-workers. I desire no advancement. I am willing to work on the boring dreck of projects. Give me remote and you can screw up everything else. I am happy being a lifeless drone while remote.
  - CBarkleyU 3y ago
    I might be the luckiest person in the world, but my first real job (full time), was during the pandemic and straight WFH (I have worked on premise for years before that. Part time, as a student). I feel such a good connection to my colleagues, some of whom I have never met in real life. Honestly thinking of inviting a few of them to my wedding. We always tattle before and after meetings, we have our own injokes, I've been welcomed and cared for really well as a new employee by them. Work is going really well, and even in stressful times I always feels like my colleagues have my back and I have theirs. And every once in a while when we do meet up, its like a family reunion. Jeez, now that I'm thinking about, I really do have struck gold. Maybe I should stick around a little longer before I make the jump to a (even) better paying job...
  - smeej 3y ago
    I had a similar conversation with my newly hired manager recently. She was saying, "But you're so capable! I could sew your career going so many directions!" I told her I like what I do, and I love how little it demands of me. I have no desire whatsoever to devote more of my time and energy to work for the sake of more money or career "advancement." I'm perfectly content with the idea of continuing to do the same work for the same pay, as long as it keeps pace with inflation. There is nothing I want or need that I don't have or couldn't get as things are. My desires are right-sized for my role. And I'm not even a 6-figure earner. I just also don't want things that require it, like living in a major city or traveling. Don't try to force me forward into a role or life you think I should want just because I could have it. I already have what I want, and I wouldn't trade contentment for any of that stuff other people have.
omgwtfbyobbq 3y ago
These days, meaningful pay increases, promotions, and other things generally require moving to a new company anyway, so not being in a pool of candidates for internal promotions/etc isn't as bad as it used to be.
- throwawaysleep 3y ago
  Precisely. I wish I could just tell my manager that so we could skip 1 on 1s. If I want a raise, I am going for interviews.
- Tao3300 3y ago
  Ding ding ding. Another way the power dynamic has been shattered. I could very well be applying for other jobs from my personal computer while I'm in a meeting on my work computer. They don't want to give you a carrot to stay. They want to bring you a into the office so they can reach you more easily with a stick.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  Not just these days. That's how it's been for decades.