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What happens with the content if posted on an instance that shuts down? Will it be kept alive by other instances?

by dybber 3y ago

dragontamer 3y ago
This has already happened in practice, as https://beehaw.org https://beehaw.org and https://lemmy.world https://lemmy.world defederated due to some (hopefully temporary) issues. I don't wanna go into the drama / discussion here but lets just call it some nerd drama + lack of moderation tools that can solve the issue. (Beehaw.org is very confident that if Mastodon-like tools existed, they'd be able to refederate and get the things they want. The issue is being blamed right now on Lemmy's relatively new codebase that's missing some features that Mastodon users are familiar with) https://Lemmy.world https://Lemmy.world is continues to host the copies of the "old Beehaw.org" material, allowing Lemmy.world users to talk. But the "federation" has shut down, you can only talk with local users (because Beehaw.org serves as the "True copy". So upvotes / downvotes, and federated messages/comments are coordinated by the Beehaw.org server) In practice, this means that all the Beehaw.org communities has become kinda-sorta useless on https://Lemmy.world https://Lemmy.world. But, the copies of the conversations (up to the point of defederation) do exist and remain on your local (erm... more-local?) server.
grumbel 3y ago
It might still remain in the cache of another instance, but there is really no permanence build into the Fediverse. If an instance goes down, its content and user accounts go down too. There is no quick&easy way to migrate content to another host. There are no crypt-ids (e.g. PGP keys), everything is refered to as user@host, even message-ids aren't even globally unique, e.g. these two refer to the same post: * https://beehaw.org/post/598023 https://beehaw.org/post/598023 * https://feddit.de/post/881008 https://feddit.de/post/881008 Fediverse still has a lot of work to, right now it feels more like a quick hack than something that could significantly improve the Internet in the long run. If an instance goes malicious, you have all the same problems as you'd have with an unfederated server, after all federation is completely optional in the Fediverse.

What happens with the content if posted on an instance that shuts down? Will it be kept alive by other instances?

by dybber 3y ago

What happens with the content if posted on an instance that shuts down? Will it be kept alive by other instances?

This has already happened in practice, as https://beehaw.org https://beehaw.org and https://lemmy.world https://lemmy.world defederated due to some (hopefully temporary) issues. I don't wanna go into the drama / discussion here but lets just call it some nerd drama + lack of moderation tools that can solve the issue. (Beehaw.org is very confident that if Mastodon-like tools existed, they'd be able to refederate and get the things they want. The issue is being blamed right now on Lemmy's relatively new codebase that's missing some features that Mastodon users are familiar with) https://Lemmy.world https://Lemmy.world is continues to host the copies of the "old Beehaw.org" material, allowing Lemmy.world users to talk. But the "federation" has shut down, you can only talk with local users (because Beehaw.org serves as the "True copy". So upvotes / downvotes, and federated messages/comments are coordinated by the Beehaw.org server) In practice, this means that all the Beehaw.org communities has become kinda-sorta useless on https://Lemmy.world https://Lemmy.world. But, the copies of the conversations (up to the point of defederation) do exist and remain on your local (erm... more-local?) server.

grumbel 3y ago

It might still remain in the cache of another instance, but there is really no permanence build into the Fediverse. If an instance goes down, its content and user accounts go down too. There is no quick&easy way to migrate content to another host. There are no crypt-ids (e.g. PGP keys), everything is refered to as user@host, even message-ids aren't even globally unique, e.g. these two refer to the same post: * https://beehaw.org/post/598023 https://beehaw.org/post/598023 * https://feddit.de/post/881008 https://feddit.de/post/881008 Fediverse still has a lot of work to, right now it feels more like a quick hack than something that could significantly improve the Internet in the long run. If an instance goes malicious, you have all the same problems as you'd have with an unfederated server, after all federation is completely optional in the Fediverse.