these are good points. i will say that people who tend to mention on the internet their lack of success with women are basically starting at zero so bombarding

these are good points. i will say that people who tend to mention on the internet their lack of success with women are basically starting at zero so bombarding them with this stuff merely shifts the "overton window" (this is an imperfect analogy) to the right so they start getting some improvement. their cumulative 'score' is just so far in the weeds they need all the points they can get. there is no room for nuance when you're in the hole. it's like cooking up some super custom individual muscle bodybuilding workout plan for someone who is 400 pounds and eats chocolate bars all day. more well adjusted/successful men are "deficient" (this term is used loosely) in fewer of these categories and may not need to change much from baseline, or at all. the zero dudes need to level up basically everything in order to even have a snowball's chance in hell. i.e. a tall jacked rich dude can get away with being an emotionally needy text-happy dork sometimes. it might even be endearing in a "i can fix him" kind of way. the most important thing is for guys who WANT to improve (not everyone really gives a shit, which is fine) the most important thing to understand is that you CAN improve, and society's bullshit platitudes, dismissals of concern, and implications creepiness of wanting to improve are just that - bullshit, deeply dishonest, deceitful, and fucking cruel. to make matters worse there are all sorts of con artists who prey on younger guys so hearing this kind of stuff from a non-sales-oriented pov on a place like HN is important.