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The problem is that Detroit sucks and it’s really cold. I don’t think startups would want to locate there. Also, they are poorly managed and that’s part of the

The problem is that Detroit sucks and it’s really cold. I don’t think startups would want to locate there. Also, they are poorly managed and that’s part of their decline. They aren’t trying any good ideas like encouraging startup incubators and whatnot.

seanp2k2 3y ago
Also no useful public transit. The People Mover is a joke and the busses are famous for being hours late / just not showing up. The infra used to be decent when the auto mfgs were around there and out in Southfield where some bigger office buildings were, but they haven’t kept up with the times in terms of connectivity (why would they with no one to use it?). Housing is cheap but who would want to live there? Not much to do, not many cool smart people to hang out with, winters are awful, food scene mostly sucks, music scene is decent if you love really underground stuff and noise / screamo / UG electronic (esp house), schools are awful, nature has tons of mosquitos from all the lakes, lots of lakes if you’re into boating (and lake cabins are like $50k), skiing sucks (no mountains), airport sucks and is far away + Delta took over so if you want non-stop to anywhere expect to pay at least $400, Chicago is a long drive but doable for weekends (again no train which could be an hour on high speed rail, it’s less than 300 miles but flying takes as long as driving due to airports and transport on both ends)… Yeah, Detroit…nah. Source: grew up there. Never going back.
- yareally 3y ago
  > "and lake cabins are like $50k" As a resident of the state below, I've been looking at cabins. Any recommendations?
  - t-3 3y ago
    Pretty much everything north of ~Flint is good if you just want a house by a lake, The UP especially so. Wisconsin and Minnesota have fewer lakes, but they are also good, and have better roads. If you want to go out on the Great Lakes, skiing/snowboarding (on dunes?), hiking, kayaking, hunting, or fishing, narrow down your choices accordingly and take a visit to check it out.
    - samstave 3y ago
      Come to Flint, the water is.... a liquid?
      - khuey 3y ago
        Flint has had clean water for years now.
        samstave 3y ago
        Hey, you know what sounds fun? Lets go fishing in East Palistine!
    - fsagx 3y ago
      > Minnesota have fewer lakes Don't say that to any Minnesotans!
myself248 3y ago
And the intellectual property laws are bullshit. Your employer owns all your ideas even if they pop into your head off-hours. It's hard to make a spinoff when some megacorp has that kind of teeth into you. California has all the startups, not because Californians are smarter or harder-working, but because they are more free.
- cobertos 3y ago
  Do you mean Michigan's IP laws or Detroit? I always assumed that this was something an employer had to write in, not the default. Do you have a source? From looking, the only default I found is Michigan has the concept of a "shop right" but that involves inventions on employer time with employer resources. It is also narrowly defined[1] [1]: See end of "Patent Rights" section, https://www.michbar.org/file/barjournal/article/documents/pdf4article730.pdf https://www.michbar.org/file/barjournal/article/documents/pd...
  - myself248 3y ago
    IANAL so this is my layman's understanding, but I've had to sign a number of agreements with my employer giving them rights to every thought I've ever had. My understanding is that these agreements are not valid in California. I could be wrong.
    - cobertos 3y ago
      Ah, I've seen these clauses too. The link above says for the rights of a patent or similar IP to be assigned there needs to be "consideration" which, they're not paying you when you're at home. So theoretically in MI you could fight something like this if it became a problem. Doesn't stop them trying to bleed you dry through a lawsuit though.
      - DropInIn 3y ago
        I could see them arguing that the mere existence of the employment is the consideration.... And with some of the courts that have come about, I could see them winning.... Not justifiably but nevertheless winning....

seanp2k2 3y ago

Also no useful public transit. The People Mover is a joke and the busses are famous for being hours late / just not showing up. The infra used to be decent when the auto mfgs were around there and out in Southfield where some bigger office buildings were, but they haven’t kept up with the times in terms of connectivity (why would they with no one to use it?). Housing is cheap but who would want to live there? Not much to do, not many cool smart people to hang out with, winters are awful, food scene mostly sucks, music scene is decent if you love really underground stuff and noise / screamo / UG electronic (esp house), schools are awful, nature has tons of mosquitos from all the lakes, lots of lakes if you’re into boating (and lake cabins are like $50k), skiing sucks (no mountains), airport sucks and is far away + Delta took over so if you want non-stop to anywhere expect to pay at least $400, Chicago is a long drive but doable for weekends (again no train which could be an hour on high speed rail, it’s less than 300 miles but flying takes as long as driving due to airports and transport on both ends)… Yeah, Detroit…nah. Source: grew up there. Never going back.

yareally 3y ago
> "and lake cabins are like $50k" As a resident of the state below, I've been looking at cabins. Any recommendations?
- t-3 3y ago
  Pretty much everything north of ~Flint is good if you just want a house by a lake, The UP especially so. Wisconsin and Minnesota have fewer lakes, but they are also good, and have better roads. If you want to go out on the Great Lakes, skiing/snowboarding (on dunes?), hiking, kayaking, hunting, or fishing, narrow down your choices accordingly and take a visit to check it out.
  - samstave 3y ago
    Come to Flint, the water is.... a liquid?
    - khuey 3y ago
      Flint has had clean water for years now.
      - samstave 3y ago
        Hey, you know what sounds fun? Lets go fishing in East Palistine!
  - fsagx 3y ago
    > Minnesota have fewer lakes Don't say that to any Minnesotans!

myself248 3y ago

And the intellectual property laws are bullshit. Your employer owns all your ideas even if they pop into your head off-hours. It's hard to make a spinoff when some megacorp has that kind of teeth into you. California has all the startups, not because Californians are smarter or harder-working, but because they are more free.

cobertos 3y ago
Do you mean Michigan's IP laws or Detroit? I always assumed that this was something an employer had to write in, not the default. Do you have a source? From looking, the only default I found is Michigan has the concept of a "shop right" but that involves inventions on employer time with employer resources. It is also narrowly defined[1] [1]: See end of "Patent Rights" section, https://www.michbar.org/file/barjournal/article/documents/pdf4article730.pdf https://www.michbar.org/file/barjournal/article/documents/pd...
- myself248 3y ago
  IANAL so this is my layman's understanding, but I've had to sign a number of agreements with my employer giving them rights to every thought I've ever had. My understanding is that these agreements are not valid in California. I could be wrong.
  - cobertos 3y ago
    Ah, I've seen these clauses too. The link above says for the rights of a patent or similar IP to be assigned there needs to be "consideration" which, they're not paying you when you're at home. So theoretically in MI you could fight something like this if it became a problem. Doesn't stop them trying to bleed you dry through a lawsuit though.
    - DropInIn 3y ago
      I could see them arguing that the mere existence of the employment is the consideration.... And with some of the courts that have come about, I could see them winning.... Not justifiably but nevertheless winning....