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This is absolutely a thing, but I'd say there's a related option which is "Job Listing Driven Development". The more niche, dated, or specific your platform is,

This is absolutely a thing, but I'd say there's a related option which is "Job Listing Driven Development". The more niche, dated, or specific your platform is, the harder it is to hire people onto the team who don't need months of on-the-job practice and training to be useful. You see the most extreme versions of dangers of this in stories about governments and older companies having to pay insane salaries to bring FORTRAN or COBOL developers out of retirement to keep systems running. If you keep doing the simple solutions within the existing system, you risk creating a system so inbred that only the folks who built it can maintain it effectively. For less extreme setups, it's still a balancing act to consider how much your unique and specific solution that is the simple option for you company starts closing you off of the larger hiring pools in more common technologies and patterns.

BeFlatXIII 3y ago
What's kind of funny is that MUMPS is equally as archaic and idiosyncratic as Fortran or Cobol, yet there are companies willing to put new hires through a bootcamp to make them productive. Are all the Fortran and Cobol companies too small to afford a month or three of training time on new devs?
- noirbot 3y ago
  My guess would be that the entities short-sighted enough to still be using those languages in 2023 are also ones short sighed enough to not invest in the training to preemptively hire juniors without the skillset to train them up.
- obviouslynotme 3y ago
  As someone who maintains a large Fortran codebase actively maintained from the 50s, I can say with 100% confidence that syntax, compiler, and other tools aren't even 10% of getting up to speed. It's some of the worst code you will ever see. A lot of it predates "GOTO considered harmful." It also comes from an era where different common blocks and subroutines were moved into and out of memory using a custom virtual memory system. The demand for Fortran/Cobol experience has nothing to do with training. We need to make sure you are masochistic enough to trudge through the sludge.

BeFlatXIII 3y ago

What's kind of funny is that MUMPS is equally as archaic and idiosyncratic as Fortran or Cobol, yet there are companies willing to put new hires through a bootcamp to make them productive. Are all the Fortran and Cobol companies too small to afford a month or three of training time on new devs?

noirbot 3y ago
My guess would be that the entities short-sighted enough to still be using those languages in 2023 are also ones short sighed enough to not invest in the training to preemptively hire juniors without the skillset to train them up.
obviouslynotme 3y ago
As someone who maintains a large Fortran codebase actively maintained from the 50s, I can say with 100% confidence that syntax, compiler, and other tools aren't even 10% of getting up to speed. It's some of the worst code you will ever see. A lot of it predates "GOTO considered harmful." It also comes from an era where different common blocks and subroutines were moved into and out of memory using a custom virtual memory system. The demand for Fortran/Cobol experience has nothing to do with training. We need to make sure you are masochistic enough to trudge through the sludge.