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5% of passengers sounds rather high to me. That would mean at least one per full bus or rail carriage on average. 5% of trips being disturbed also sounds high

by Delk 3y ago

5% of passengers sounds rather high to me. That would mean at least one per full bus or rail carriage on average. 5% of trips being disturbed also sounds high albeit not outlandish. (It's still significantly higher than what I'd expect in commuter traffic here. On weekend night buses quite possibly yes but I use those so rarely that I wouldn't be able to say.) Either way, the point was that such things obviously carry weight for individual preferences, but that they may apply on top of some kind of a baseline weighing hierarchy from a broader point of view.

throwaway22032 3y ago
I mentioned less than 5, that wasn't intended to be an accurate figure. For me I just don't want to interact with weirdos. It doesn't have to be that extreme, the marker is something like - if I went to a restaurant, bar, workplace, party etc and it had the same number of degens as public transport I wouldn't go back there, I have options. I place great importance on spending time in places where the people around me feel like equals that I can converse with rather than potential threats. edit: No, I don't mean "different strata of society". I mean dickheads. A different strata of society is, say, Matt Hancock MP vs. an immigrant single mum, both of which travel on the Tube. I enjoy living in a diverse neighbourhood. My neighbours are from all walks of life. A dickhead is someone smoking weed on a bus, shouting homophobic slurs at people who look a bit different, playing loud music on speakerphone. I am indeed intolerant of in-your-face antisocial behaviour and I'm proud of that fact.
- Delk 3y ago
  Public transport is one of those places where you do have to tolerate the fact that weird people (whatever that means) exist in the society. Ideally, I'd consider that a feature rather than a bug, but it obviously depends a lot. I have a lot of trouble interacting with people I feel are weird, too, but to a large extent I consider that a personal issue and limitation. In principle I consider some amount of such tolerance to be part of a civil and human society. It's natural to not like uncomfortable things but IMO gentrification and intolerance of different strata of people are also problems. Of course how much should be tolerated also depends on what kind of weird we're talking. "Weirdo" and potential threat aren't necessarily the same thing. But of course how easily a weirdo feels like a potential threat depends on the place and the culture. In some places the threat of actual violence might be common enough that it's understandable to be wary. I might underestimate that since situations that might actually be threatening are a lot less common than just uncomfortable ones here. If a "weirdo" or a "degen" means just someone who's not part of your understanding of normal or equal, and that means you don't want to tolerate having to deal with them, then I have to say that sounds quite intolerant to me. So, depending on the point of view and what kind of weird (and how much) we're talking, I might agree or vehemently disagree.
  - throwaway22032 3y ago
    I tried to respond earlier, I was rate limited. No, I don't mean "different strata of society". I mean dickheads. A different strata of society is, say, Matt Hancock MP vs. an immigrant single mum, both of which travel on the Tube. I enjoy living in a diverse neighbourhood. My neighbours are from all walks of life. A dickhead is someone smoking weed on a bus, shouting homophobic slurs at people who look a bit different, playing loud music on speakerphone. I am indeed intolerant of in-your-face antisocial behaviour and I'm proud of that fact.
    - Delk 3y ago
      That is understandably going to make public transport a lot less desirable to you. What goes on in your local public transport is probably not quite universal about public transport, though. So, as I said, it makes sense as a weighing factor -- and in this case it sounds like a significant one for your individual preferences -- but it doesn't mean the suggested hierarchy doesn't make sense in other ways if you don't have that factor. And if looking at it from a general community structure or transport infrastructure planning point of view, those probably shouldn't be based on the assumption that public transport means having to deal with dicks.

by Delk 3y ago

throwaway22032 3y ago

I mentioned less than 5, that wasn't intended to be an accurate figure. For me I just don't want to interact with weirdos. It doesn't have to be that extreme, the marker is something like - if I went to a restaurant, bar, workplace, party etc and it had the same number of degens as public transport I wouldn't go back there, I have options. I place great importance on spending time in places where the people around me feel like equals that I can converse with rather than potential threats. edit: No, I don't mean "different strata of society". I mean dickheads. A different strata of society is, say, Matt Hancock MP vs. an immigrant single mum, both of which travel on the Tube. I enjoy living in a diverse neighbourhood. My neighbours are from all walks of life. A dickhead is someone smoking weed on a bus, shouting homophobic slurs at people who look a bit different, playing loud music on speakerphone. I am indeed intolerant of in-your-face antisocial behaviour and I'm proud of that fact.

Delk 3y ago
Public transport is one of those places where you do have to tolerate the fact that weird people (whatever that means) exist in the society. Ideally, I'd consider that a feature rather than a bug, but it obviously depends a lot. I have a lot of trouble interacting with people I feel are weird, too, but to a large extent I consider that a personal issue and limitation. In principle I consider some amount of such tolerance to be part of a civil and human society. It's natural to not like uncomfortable things but IMO gentrification and intolerance of different strata of people are also problems. Of course how much should be tolerated also depends on what kind of weird we're talking. "Weirdo" and potential threat aren't necessarily the same thing. But of course how easily a weirdo feels like a potential threat depends on the place and the culture. In some places the threat of actual violence might be common enough that it's understandable to be wary. I might underestimate that since situations that might actually be threatening are a lot less common than just uncomfortable ones here. If a "weirdo" or a "degen" means just someone who's not part of your understanding of normal or equal, and that means you don't want to tolerate having to deal with them, then I have to say that sounds quite intolerant to me. So, depending on the point of view and what kind of weird (and how much) we're talking, I might agree or vehemently disagree.
- throwaway22032 3y ago
  I tried to respond earlier, I was rate limited. No, I don't mean "different strata of society". I mean dickheads. A different strata of society is, say, Matt Hancock MP vs. an immigrant single mum, both of which travel on the Tube. I enjoy living in a diverse neighbourhood. My neighbours are from all walks of life. A dickhead is someone smoking weed on a bus, shouting homophobic slurs at people who look a bit different, playing loud music on speakerphone. I am indeed intolerant of in-your-face antisocial behaviour and I'm proud of that fact.
  - Delk 3y ago
    That is understandably going to make public transport a lot less desirable to you. What goes on in your local public transport is probably not quite universal about public transport, though. So, as I said, it makes sense as a weighing factor -- and in this case it sounds like a significant one for your individual preferences -- but it doesn't mean the suggested hierarchy doesn't make sense in other ways if you don't have that factor. And if looking at it from a general community structure or transport infrastructure planning point of view, those probably shouldn't be based on the assumption that public transport means having to deal with dicks.