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In many countries Israel is hated as the aggressor by the people at large and when these countries are non democratic then they are supported by the Israel and

In many countries Israel is hated as the aggressor by the people at large and when these countries are non democratic then they are supported by the Israel and west to keep those non democratic people in power. In many cases Israel will have approval under the table from US and other western countries so they can help despots in these countries without their own voters/population realising that they are involved in helping these despots.

red_trumpet 3y ago
I fail to see any examples of this. Do you e.g. think Israel supports Iran in building nuclear weapons?
alephnerd 3y ago
> In many cases Israel will have approval under the table from US and other western countries A lot of the weapons systems Israel sells are R&Ded and developed wholly by Israel, so they don't need the secondary approval from the US or France (though French MICs don't really care about approvals outside of IP transfers). Israeli dependancy on American R&D has been waning since the 2000s and at least in the cybersecurity space has flipped the other way around where American companies are now dependant on Israeli technologies and innovations. This decoupling from American Military R&D has happened in South Korea, Japan, Saudi, and Turkiye as well for over 20 years now due to tensions with North Korea (JP and SK) and Iran+Syria (IL, KSA, and TK).
- xbmcuser 3y ago
  Some tech being sold can get the country sanctioned or the at least the companies selling the tech sanctioned but as they have approval under the table nothing is done about it. But what I was alluding more to about was lets say a US 3 letter agency using Israel to sell tech to the despots.
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    Which tech? The last major piece of Israeli military hardware that requires an export license from the US is THAAD and the Patriot missle system. Israel largely decoupled from the US from a foreign policy and military hardware perspective by the middle of the Obama administration due to the Iran Nuclear program. While what you are describing was kind of true in the 80s and 90s, that era is long gone.
frankfrankfrank 3y ago
Don’t take it personal, because you’re in ample company, but you are not understanding the real nature of the control of the so called USA by Israelis. There is effectively no light between Israel and the front/facade country called the USA.

red_trumpet 3y ago

I fail to see any examples of this. Do you e.g. think Israel supports Iran in building nuclear weapons?

alephnerd 3y ago

> In many cases Israel will have approval under the table from US and other western countries A lot of the weapons systems Israel sells are R&Ded and developed wholly by Israel, so they don't need the secondary approval from the US or France (though French MICs don't really care about approvals outside of IP transfers). Israeli dependancy on American R&D has been waning since the 2000s and at least in the cybersecurity space has flipped the other way around where American companies are now dependant on Israeli technologies and innovations. This decoupling from American Military R&D has happened in South Korea, Japan, Saudi, and Turkiye as well for over 20 years now due to tensions with North Korea (JP and SK) and Iran+Syria (IL, KSA, and TK).

xbmcuser 3y ago
Some tech being sold can get the country sanctioned or the at least the companies selling the tech sanctioned but as they have approval under the table nothing is done about it. But what I was alluding more to about was lets say a US 3 letter agency using Israel to sell tech to the despots.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  Which tech? The last major piece of Israeli military hardware that requires an export license from the US is THAAD and the Patriot missle system. Israel largely decoupled from the US from a foreign policy and military hardware perspective by the middle of the Obama administration due to the Iran Nuclear program. While what you are describing was kind of true in the 80s and 90s, that era is long gone.

frankfrankfrank 3y ago

Don’t take it personal, because you’re in ample company, but you are not understanding the real nature of the control of the so called USA by Israelis. There is effectively no light between Israel and the front/facade country called the USA.