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"falling into" implies that the despots are taking them or obtaining them by accident. These are being sold directly to these despots with the approval of the

"falling into" implies that the despots are taking them or obtaining them by accident. These are being sold directly to these despots with the approval of the Israeli government.

Animats 3y ago
Israel is run by a despot. Israel used to be a reasonably well run democracy, but that's over. Netanyahu is frantic to stay out of jail and is trying to change Israel's judicial system to give himself total power. Israel is currently having protests and a constitutional crisis. Overview from Haaretz.[1] [1] https://archive.is/tCR8p https://archive.is/tCR8p
- LargeTomato 3y ago
  I was under the assumption that Netanyahu, at least in part, is trying to keep Israel a Jewish-run apartheid state. Bibi needs to legalize discrimination in order to disenfranchise Muslims/Arabs. Their options seem to be 1) continue to become like South Africa pre-Mandela or 2) become a minority in a country that was originally intended to be a Jewish homeland.
  - BasedAnon 3y ago
    Pretty ironic, no?
  - gordian-not 3y ago
    It’s more complicated than that. Jews are no where close to become a minority in the country excluding the West Bank and Gaza. The West Bank is under Israeli control but not annexed and probably mostly won’t be part of Israel in the long term, while Gaza isn’t under Israeli control at all. There are also great differences between what happened in South Africa and Israel such as: 1. Historical connection to the land 2. Completely different proportions of populations involved 3. Legal state of Arab minority in Israel 4. Legal state in occupied territories, namely their own self government and parliament (West Bank) or complete control (Gaza)
    - stefantalpalaru 3y ago
      > Historical connection to the land "For a more scientific take on the Jewish origin debate, recent DNA analysis of Ashkenazic Jews – a Jewish ethnic group – revealed that their maternal line is European. It has also been found that their DNA only has 3% ancient ancestry which links them with the Eastern Mediterranean (also known as the Middle East) – namely Israel, Lebanon, parts of Syria, and western Jordan. This is the part of the world Jewish people are said to have originally come from – according to the Old Testament. But 3% is a minuscule amount, and similar to what modern Europeans as a whole share with Neanderthals. So given that the genetic ancestry link is so low, Ashkenazic Jews’ most recent ancestors must be from elsewhere." "The tolerance of the Persians encouraged the Jews to adopt Persian names, words, traditions, and religious practices, and climb up the social ladder gaining a monopoly on trade. They also converted other people who were living along the Black Sea, to their Jewish faith. This helped to expand their global network. Among these converts were the Alans (Iranian nomadic pastoral people), Greeks, and Slavs who resided along the southern shores of the Black Sea. Upon conversion, they translated the Old Testament into Greek, built synagogues, and continued expanding the Jewish trade network." "The Asian group of these DNA mutations, found in Ashkenazic Jews, likely originated from the Ashina elite and other Khazar clans, who converted from Shamanism to Judaism. This means that the Ashina and core Khazar clans were absorbed by the Ashkenazic Jews." - ["Ashkenazic Jews’ mysterious origins unravelled by scientists thanks to ancient DNA" (2018)](https://theconversation.com/ashkenazic-jews-mysterious-origins-unravelled-by-scientists-thanks-to-ancient-dna-97962 https://theconversation.com/ashkenazic-jews-mysterious-origi...)
      - gordian-not 3y ago
        I can’t comment about the DNA evidence as I am hardly an expert, but they go both ways (cohen lines genes). However, the entire ‘Ashkenazi Jews are Khazar’ theory has antisemite origins, and it is well known that Jews were already all over Europe at the times of the Roman Empire, way before any Khazar entity
    - 2lup382 3y ago
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  - Animats 3y ago
    That's more of a past issue. Look into the growth of the haredi population.[1] Soon, Israel will have more ultra-orthodox than Arabs. [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/haredi-population-growing-twice-as-fast-as-total-israeli-population-report/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/haredi-population-growing-twic...
- DropInIn 3y ago
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- Protostome 3y ago
  Yep, that's true. A lot of us here in the tech sector are desperately looking for a way out of the country US/Canada are the top options I wish Netanyahu and his ultra religious gang good luck
fmajid 3y ago
Explicitly approved by Netanyahu himself, in his courtship of MBS of Saudi Arabia. Whether it is wise for Israel to cultivate treacherous backstabbers like the Saudis is another question, the US' experience with 9/11 should lead to caution.

"falling into" implies that the despots are taking them or obtaining them by accident. These are being sold directly to these despots with the approval of the Israeli government.

Animats 3y ago

Israel is run by a despot. Israel used to be a reasonably well run democracy, but that's over. Netanyahu is frantic to stay out of jail and is trying to change Israel's judicial system to give himself total power. Israel is currently having protests and a constitutional crisis. Overview from Haaretz.[1] [1] https://archive.is/tCR8p https://archive.is/tCR8p

LargeTomato 3y ago
I was under the assumption that Netanyahu, at least in part, is trying to keep Israel a Jewish-run apartheid state. Bibi needs to legalize discrimination in order to disenfranchise Muslims/Arabs. Their options seem to be 1) continue to become like South Africa pre-Mandela or 2) become a minority in a country that was originally intended to be a Jewish homeland.
- BasedAnon 3y ago
  Pretty ironic, no?
- gordian-not 3y ago
  It’s more complicated than that. Jews are no where close to become a minority in the country excluding the West Bank and Gaza. The West Bank is under Israeli control but not annexed and probably mostly won’t be part of Israel in the long term, while Gaza isn’t under Israeli control at all. There are also great differences between what happened in South Africa and Israel such as: 1. Historical connection to the land 2. Completely different proportions of populations involved 3. Legal state of Arab minority in Israel 4. Legal state in occupied territories, namely their own self government and parliament (West Bank) or complete control (Gaza)
  - stefantalpalaru 3y ago
    > Historical connection to the land "For a more scientific take on the Jewish origin debate, recent DNA analysis of Ashkenazic Jews – a Jewish ethnic group – revealed that their maternal line is European. It has also been found that their DNA only has 3% ancient ancestry which links them with the Eastern Mediterranean (also known as the Middle East) – namely Israel, Lebanon, parts of Syria, and western Jordan. This is the part of the world Jewish people are said to have originally come from – according to the Old Testament. But 3% is a minuscule amount, and similar to what modern Europeans as a whole share with Neanderthals. So given that the genetic ancestry link is so low, Ashkenazic Jews’ most recent ancestors must be from elsewhere." "The tolerance of the Persians encouraged the Jews to adopt Persian names, words, traditions, and religious practices, and climb up the social ladder gaining a monopoly on trade. They also converted other people who were living along the Black Sea, to their Jewish faith. This helped to expand their global network. Among these converts were the Alans (Iranian nomadic pastoral people), Greeks, and Slavs who resided along the southern shores of the Black Sea. Upon conversion, they translated the Old Testament into Greek, built synagogues, and continued expanding the Jewish trade network." "The Asian group of these DNA mutations, found in Ashkenazic Jews, likely originated from the Ashina elite and other Khazar clans, who converted from Shamanism to Judaism. This means that the Ashina and core Khazar clans were absorbed by the Ashkenazic Jews." - ["Ashkenazic Jews’ mysterious origins unravelled by scientists thanks to ancient DNA" (2018)](https://theconversation.com/ashkenazic-jews-mysterious-origins-unravelled-by-scientists-thanks-to-ancient-dna-97962 https://theconversation.com/ashkenazic-jews-mysterious-origi...)
    - gordian-not 3y ago
      I can’t comment about the DNA evidence as I am hardly an expert, but they go both ways (cohen lines genes). However, the entire ‘Ashkenazi Jews are Khazar’ theory has antisemite origins, and it is well known that Jews were already all over Europe at the times of the Roman Empire, way before any Khazar entity
  - 2lup382 3y ago
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- Animats 3y ago
  That's more of a past issue. Look into the growth of the haredi population.[1] Soon, Israel will have more ultra-orthodox than Arabs. [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/haredi-population-growing-twice-as-fast-as-total-israeli-population-report/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/haredi-population-growing-twic...
DropInIn 3y ago
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DropInIn 3y ago
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Protostome 3y ago
Yep, that's true. A lot of us here in the tech sector are desperately looking for a way out of the country US/Canada are the top options I wish Netanyahu and his ultra religious gang good luck

fmajid 3y ago

Explicitly approved by Netanyahu himself, in his courtship of MBS of Saudi Arabia. Whether it is wise for Israel to cultivate treacherous backstabbers like the Saudis is another question, the US' experience with 9/11 should lead to caution.