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Initially, I wanted to reply to you and say it's unfair to judge the person as incompetent; I still think it's a bit unfair because they develop a specialized l

by xyse53 3y ago

Initially, I wanted to reply to you and say it's unfair to judge the person as incompetent; I still think it's a bit unfair because they develop a specialized library and their choice of hosting shouldn't need to be modernized at every step. However, reading through their response thread [0] I do think they aren't appearing particularly mature. It feels like they are refusing to characterize what is actually going on and digging in and escalating this defensive mindset. [0] https://gmplib.org/list-archives/gmp-devel/2023-June/thread.html https://gmplib.org/list-archives/gmp-devel/2023-June/thread....

retrocryptid 3y ago
So... don't ascribe to incompetence what can easily be explained by malice?
retrocryptid 3y ago
What part isn't mature? The bit where they set limitations for use of their hardware?
- xyse53 3y ago
  - Threatening lawyers - The fair use update is reactive, and won't help anything - Not separating microsoft/github from users of the platform (I agree the line is an worthwhile discussion) - Not following up on the reasonable technical solutions that are being proposed - Not seeming to ack that while the firewall ban might be the best they can do now, it'll block interested users of their own (GMP) library. That said, the part in the GitHub reply dismissing GMP's hardware is also immature.
  - CtrlAltDelete51 3y ago
    To be fair, the amount of traffic we are talking about is not really that significant. GMP only allocating one core [1] for these requests and being frustrated that after so long they might have to increase the resource allocation or change something else is a bit unreasonable too. [1] https://gmplib.org/list-archives/gmp-devel/2023-June/006169.html https://gmplib.org/list-archives/gmp-devel/2023-June/006169....
    - xyse53 3y ago
      Yeah, I agree.
brtyx 3y ago
Jesus Christ. "Defensive", "reactive", "immature", "they"? Do people here read management books now? Granlund is a world class expert and apart from gmp has developed (with Montgomery) and implemented several fast arithmetic algorithms in gcc. This is standard mailing list talk that always includes a bit of posturing. It predates the joyless, grey, boring, judgemental GitHub hypocrites. You are all so mature!

by xyse53 3y ago

retrocryptid 3y ago

So... don't ascribe to incompetence what can easily be explained by malice?

retrocryptid 3y ago

What part isn't mature? The bit where they set limitations for use of their hardware?

xyse53 3y ago
- Threatening lawyers - The fair use update is reactive, and won't help anything - Not separating microsoft/github from users of the platform (I agree the line is an worthwhile discussion) - Not following up on the reasonable technical solutions that are being proposed - Not seeming to ack that while the firewall ban might be the best they can do now, it'll block interested users of their own (GMP) library. That said, the part in the GitHub reply dismissing GMP's hardware is also immature.
- CtrlAltDelete51 3y ago
  To be fair, the amount of traffic we are talking about is not really that significant. GMP only allocating one core [1] for these requests and being frustrated that after so long they might have to increase the resource allocation or change something else is a bit unreasonable too. [1] https://gmplib.org/list-archives/gmp-devel/2023-June/006169.html https://gmplib.org/list-archives/gmp-devel/2023-June/006169....
  - xyse53 3y ago
    Yeah, I agree.

brtyx 3y ago

Jesus Christ. "Defensive", "reactive", "immature", "they"? Do people here read management books now? Granlund is a world class expert and apart from gmp has developed (with Montgomery) and implemented several fast arithmetic algorithms in gcc. This is standard mailing list talk that always includes a bit of posturing. It predates the joyless, grey, boring, judgemental GitHub hypocrites. You are all so mature!