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>Spez had entirely invented and spread the false claims That is not exactly true. It sounds like there was a genuine misunderstanding during their call, and th
by trogdor 3y ago
>Spez had entirely invented and spread the false claims
That is not exactly true. It sounds like there was a genuine misunderstanding during their call, and that Huffman might have believed - for a portion of the call - that a blackmail attempt was happening. If you listen to the audio, it really does sound like a blackmail attempt. At least that's how I heard it.
It also seemed clear that Huffman no longer believed that he had been blackmailed by the end of the call. But it wasn't "entirely invented," and I actually think that Huffman might not have fully believed Selig's explanation of his 'pay me $10 million to make this go away' statement (or whatever Selig's exact language was).
Separately, from what I recall, Huffman did not accuse Selig of illegally recording their phone call. Huffman took umbrage over the release of what, IIRC, he referred to as a private conversation, stating that he did not see how he could possibly do business with Selig after that. In fairness, Huffman's statement makes sense in isolation - regardless of whether the call was legally recorded. Which it seems to have been.
I think that Huffman looks really bad in all this. But that's a reason to be particularly careful about accuracy in our statements about what happened.
- ahahahahah 3y agoIn fact, it's common for an extortion attempt to be floated in that way leaving some plausible deniability for the one attempting extortion in case they are rebuffed. It's also common for the other party to seemingly accept the reframing of it to move on even though they internally believe that extortion was floated.
- trogdor 3y agoI know. I'm just trying to stick to the facts. (And, interestingly, being downvoted for it. Despite no one presenting evidence that my account of what happened is wrong.)
- haswell 3y ago> Huffman took umbrage over the release of what, IIRC, he referred to as a private conversation He “took umbrage” after he publicly called out Selig for threatening Reddit, a thing that did not happen, and is immediately made obvious by the Reddit rep apologizing for the misunderstanding repeatedly. Framing this as “Huffman was mad about Selig releasing a private discussion” is extremely misleading, and ignores the fact that Selig was basically forced to do so by Huffman’s public misrepresentation of that private conversation. If Huffman doesn’t want a private conversation released, a good start would be avoiding misleading public statements about that private conversation. > In fairness, Huffman's statement makes sense in isolation You can make just about anything make sense in isolation, but this doesn’t mean that it makes sense in the real world. Removing context is as good as lying in many situations, and this is one of those situations.
- Ecstatify 3y agoLink to Recording: https://christianselig.com/apollo-end/reddit-third-call-may-31-end.m4a https://christianselig.com/apollo-end/reddit-third-call-may-... People can make up their own mind if they think the Dev was trying to blackmail Reddit or not.
- quitit 3y ago>That is not exactly true. It sounds like there was a genuine misunderstanding during their call. This is false.(1) What I've written there is accurate. Why? Because while there was a misunderstanding, it was immediately corrected including Huffman apologising for his misunderstanding. Despite this Huffman later made the extortion/blackmail claim. No part of the conversation supports extortion or blackmail, hypothetically even if Selig was serious about being bought out, that still wouldn't be extortion or blackmail. (1) https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_w... Transcript of the call here: https://gist.github.com/christianselig/fda7e8bc5a25aec9824f915e6a5c7014 https://gist.github.com/christianselig/fda7e8bc5a25aec9824f9...