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There's a youtube guy who goes around and landscapes people's yards for free. He does good work; it's a valuable service. But if he later returned to the house

There's a youtube guy who goes around and landscapes people's yards for free. He does good work; it's a valuable service. But if he later returned to the house and demanded payment he wouldn't have a leg to stand on. That would be the same leg that the Reddit mods are missing.

unaindz 3y ago
It's not like they are asking to be paid for the 15 years they have been doing work for free, just starting now. The equivalent here would be to say that the guy has to do any landscaping for free from now on as he has done it for free before.
- 40yearoldman 3y ago
  That’s fine. Ans the mods who want pay now can just loose their modship. It’s not their site. Not their servers and are owed nothing. Mods have always been abusive and used their outweighed power to push their political agendas. It’s time they got a taste of their own medicine
  - LocalH 3y ago
    You can't paint all mods with the same brush. For every vocal "power mod" that would fall into the category you describe, there are probably 10 mods of communities that you've never heard of, who are vital to their community's success, who would disagree with your statement. Reddit forgets that it has the position it does solely because of the community. Without the content provided by users (and managed by mods), Reddit would be an empty husk. It always irks me when people talk about who "owns" Reddit. I'll use myself as a counterexample. I founded a small rhythm game modding community about six years ago. I created it, I named it, I ran it by myself for a couple of years before it actually became somewhat popular. There was a pivotal moment where two separate things happened to greatly increase our reach. As a few of the members rose to prominence with their contributions to the community, I brought them in as moderators and later administrators. Now, I could have maintained my "boss man" position, I could have looked at the community as "mine", but I chose not to. I made them equal administrators to myself, and I stopped making unilateral decisions as to how things would work. I did this in recognition of the fact that, without their contributions, "my" community would be nothing. The community is bigger than me, and that's ok. Reddit is the same way. Without the moderators and users of the site, Reddit would be nothing. Throwing your e-peen around and smacking everyone in the face with it "because it's your site" is a very arrogant decision, one that ignores the role users and moderators have played in the site's success. All to chase the almighty dollar. Reddit seems to have forgotten the lesson they originally gave Digg. No matter, Reddit will eventually be irrelevant, just like every such UGC-driven site that loses sight of how they got where they are. Reddit's no Facebook, in terms of sheer resistance to this due to size, and they never will be if they keep it up.
PepperdineG 3y ago
>There's a youtube guy who goes around and landscapes people's yards for free. He does good work; it's a valuable service. But if he later returned to the house and demanded payment he wouldn't have a leg to stand on. What you are describing doesn't sound free though. It sounds like in consideration for media and film rights - the compensation - the property owners get a service. It's like Extreme Home Makeover was done for 'free' for homeowners but was not remotely free in that was a broadcast cable show that people assigned certain rights to in consideration for 'free' work. >That would be the same leg that the Reddit mods are missing. There isn't exactly a bright line as to when someone should be considered a paid employee or not, but just with your own example, if that 'YouTube guy' was filming and profiting off the videos he made without releases from the homeowners he himself could be sued where it would be that he could owe the property owners, which is not a remotely applicable situation to Reddit moderators. If film, TV, commercials, etc are done on someone's property that's a whole different thing from employment law.

unaindz 3y ago

It's not like they are asking to be paid for the 15 years they have been doing work for free, just starting now. The equivalent here would be to say that the guy has to do any landscaping for free from now on as he has done it for free before.

40yearoldman 3y ago
That’s fine. Ans the mods who want pay now can just loose their modship. It’s not their site. Not their servers and are owed nothing. Mods have always been abusive and used their outweighed power to push their political agendas. It’s time they got a taste of their own medicine
- LocalH 3y ago
  You can't paint all mods with the same brush. For every vocal "power mod" that would fall into the category you describe, there are probably 10 mods of communities that you've never heard of, who are vital to their community's success, who would disagree with your statement. Reddit forgets that it has the position it does solely because of the community. Without the content provided by users (and managed by mods), Reddit would be an empty husk. It always irks me when people talk about who "owns" Reddit. I'll use myself as a counterexample. I founded a small rhythm game modding community about six years ago. I created it, I named it, I ran it by myself for a couple of years before it actually became somewhat popular. There was a pivotal moment where two separate things happened to greatly increase our reach. As a few of the members rose to prominence with their contributions to the community, I brought them in as moderators and later administrators. Now, I could have maintained my "boss man" position, I could have looked at the community as "mine", but I chose not to. I made them equal administrators to myself, and I stopped making unilateral decisions as to how things would work. I did this in recognition of the fact that, without their contributions, "my" community would be nothing. The community is bigger than me, and that's ok. Reddit is the same way. Without the moderators and users of the site, Reddit would be nothing. Throwing your e-peen around and smacking everyone in the face with it "because it's your site" is a very arrogant decision, one that ignores the role users and moderators have played in the site's success. All to chase the almighty dollar. Reddit seems to have forgotten the lesson they originally gave Digg. No matter, Reddit will eventually be irrelevant, just like every such UGC-driven site that loses sight of how they got where they are. Reddit's no Facebook, in terms of sheer resistance to this due to size, and they never will be if they keep it up.

PepperdineG 3y ago

>There's a youtube guy who goes around and landscapes people's yards for free. He does good work; it's a valuable service. But if he later returned to the house and demanded payment he wouldn't have a leg to stand on. What you are describing doesn't sound free though. It sounds like in consideration for media and film rights - the compensation - the property owners get a service. It's like Extreme Home Makeover was done for 'free' for homeowners but was not remotely free in that was a broadcast cable show that people assigned certain rights to in consideration for 'free' work. >That would be the same leg that the Reddit mods are missing. There isn't exactly a bright line as to when someone should be considered a paid employee or not, but just with your own example, if that 'YouTube guy' was filming and profiting off the videos he made without releases from the homeowners he himself could be sued where it would be that he could owe the property owners, which is not a remotely applicable situation to Reddit moderators. If film, TV, commercials, etc are done on someone's property that's a whole different thing from employment law.