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I've only bought up to one gigabit at the transit level, and it bottoms out at about $1/mbit currently at that commit. So what are you really getting for $80/m

by kev009 15y ago

I've only bought up to one gigabit at the transit level, and it bottoms out at about $1/mbit currently at that commit. So what are you really getting for $80/mo? If you try to really use (or abuse in some people's minds) that last mile gigabit, how long till you get cut or prompt crap like deep packet inspection and throttling? The "Internet" as we know it is a tricky thing. I'd prefer something like 20mbps sync to the home that you're free to use as you see fit at that price point. The economics of this should work out fine.

mbreese 15y ago
I know Sonic is publicly against limits and throttling [1]. Their DSL connections don't have any sort of caps. Now, with Fiber the scale may be different, but I don't see their position changing. Their CEO also said that bandwidth wasn't their biggest cost. (but I can't find the link...) [1] http://corp.sonic.net/ceo/2011/12/02/web-hogs/ http://corp.sonic.net/ceo/2011/12/02/web-hogs/
- kev009 15y ago
  Ideally it would be something like, "we have 100gbit of combined IP transit purchased and peering with google, he.net, and herpderp" and TCP/IP would do it's thing. Particularly when you hear of countries outside the US, 100+ mbit Internet is a very relative thing and it depends very much on where that traffic is going. I'm all for building out last-mile distribution with fiber, but what's possible on Cable and DSL is very good and adequate for the current generation of services if the policies would match what the technologies are capable of. The elephant in the room is that good Internet will continue to eat the lunch of Cable TV and phone. Bandwidth caps are more about keeping you in line as a "good consumer" than the economics of IP transit.
  - shimon_e 15y ago
    OVH in Europe has 1tbps in combined IP peering/transit. They are renting servers with 10gbps ports for about $200. Just yesterday they added 80gbps to Paris. http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showpost.php?p=41454&postcount=33 http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showpost.php?p=41454&postcount=33 Hope Sonic builds a powerful network.
    - obtu 15y ago
      Huh, they're beating Proxad (French ISP Free / Iliad group) then: 470Gbps as of 2011-04-20: http://lafibre.info/free-les-news/carte-du-reseau-fibre-optique-free/ http://lafibre.info/free-les-news/carte-du-reseau-fibre-opti... .
      - shimon_e 15y ago
        The collapse of Megavideo added attracted an additional 200 gbps to their network alone. OVH is expanding into Canada too. Makes me quiet scared. They are like the walmart of the data industry. Shame free's online.net is not competing outside of France.
    - kev009 15y ago
      Read the small print. "Traffic is unlimited. If you exceed 40 TB / month, the connection will be limited to 10 Mbps." That works out to a bit over 100mbps commit. A fair enough deal but nothing spectacular. Doing 10gbps ports is a neat marketing trick but I can't think of too many situations where you'd balloon that large and yet still sit within 40TB/mo where a gigabit port would be a serious bottleneck. Just keep in mind the carriers are using at most 40gbit and 100gibt optical lines and trunking them together. If you wire an entire neighborhood with gigabit last mile, or a DC with 10gig to the node, it all coalesces somewhere at the network access points. For home subscribers, I'd much rather prefer a quality product in the 10s of mbit for the next few years, the only point I was originally trying to make. The argument for laying gigabit last mile has more to do with last mile life cycle IMHO than truly giving customers a full gigabit pipe at the moment.
      - shimon_e 15y ago
        Then it is 0.89 per TB and that's for UK customers. French customers and customers who sign up through ovh.com get a completely different bandwidth structure. They get "unbilled" bandwidth but only get a few hundred mbps dedicated with each peer. Google it. It's due to competition from online.net in france. 10gbps makes sense if you also have 1gbps servers in their network. BTW Sonic.net is $70/m. The article was mistaken.

by kev009 15y ago

mbreese 15y ago

I know Sonic is publicly against limits and throttling [1]. Their DSL connections don't have any sort of caps. Now, with Fiber the scale may be different, but I don't see their position changing. Their CEO also said that bandwidth wasn't their biggest cost. (but I can't find the link...) [1] http://corp.sonic.net/ceo/2011/12/02/web-hogs/ http://corp.sonic.net/ceo/2011/12/02/web-hogs/

kev009 15y ago
Ideally it would be something like, "we have 100gbit of combined IP transit purchased and peering with google, he.net, and herpderp" and TCP/IP would do it's thing. Particularly when you hear of countries outside the US, 100+ mbit Internet is a very relative thing and it depends very much on where that traffic is going. I'm all for building out last-mile distribution with fiber, but what's possible on Cable and DSL is very good and adequate for the current generation of services if the policies would match what the technologies are capable of. The elephant in the room is that good Internet will continue to eat the lunch of Cable TV and phone. Bandwidth caps are more about keeping you in line as a "good consumer" than the economics of IP transit.
- shimon_e 15y ago
  OVH in Europe has 1tbps in combined IP peering/transit. They are renting servers with 10gbps ports for about $200. Just yesterday they added 80gbps to Paris. http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showpost.php?p=41454&postcount=33 http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showpost.php?p=41454&postcount=33 Hope Sonic builds a powerful network.
  - obtu 15y ago
    Huh, they're beating Proxad (French ISP Free / Iliad group) then: 470Gbps as of 2011-04-20: http://lafibre.info/free-les-news/carte-du-reseau-fibre-optique-free/ http://lafibre.info/free-les-news/carte-du-reseau-fibre-opti... .
    - shimon_e 15y ago
      The collapse of Megavideo added attracted an additional 200 gbps to their network alone. OVH is expanding into Canada too. Makes me quiet scared. They are like the walmart of the data industry. Shame free's online.net is not competing outside of France.
  - kev009 15y ago
    Read the small print. "Traffic is unlimited. If you exceed 40 TB / month, the connection will be limited to 10 Mbps." That works out to a bit over 100mbps commit. A fair enough deal but nothing spectacular. Doing 10gbps ports is a neat marketing trick but I can't think of too many situations where you'd balloon that large and yet still sit within 40TB/mo where a gigabit port would be a serious bottleneck. Just keep in mind the carriers are using at most 40gbit and 100gibt optical lines and trunking them together. If you wire an entire neighborhood with gigabit last mile, or a DC with 10gig to the node, it all coalesces somewhere at the network access points. For home subscribers, I'd much rather prefer a quality product in the 10s of mbit for the next few years, the only point I was originally trying to make. The argument for laying gigabit last mile has more to do with last mile life cycle IMHO than truly giving customers a full gigabit pipe at the moment.
    - shimon_e 15y ago
      Then it is 0.89 per TB and that's for UK customers. French customers and customers who sign up through ovh.com get a completely different bandwidth structure. They get "unbilled" bandwidth but only get a few hundred mbps dedicated with each peer. Google it. It's due to competition from online.net in france. 10gbps makes sense if you also have 1gbps servers in their network. BTW Sonic.net is $70/m. The article was mistaken.