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I take issue with silicon valley deciding the global moral guidelines based on their arguably narrow view and came here to defend you, but after seeing that art

I take issue with silicon valley deciding the global moral guidelines based on their arguably narrow view and came here to defend you, but after seeing that artwork I gotta say isn’t that porn? I mean of course it’s up for debate, but just because it’s old and hang up in museum does not make it non-porn. Maybe the problem is more facebook banning all porn including the culturally relevant one.

ElFitz 3y ago
That would be hard to say. I recall a US Supreme Justice basically defining "hard-core pornography" as "I know it when I see it". Some would say that pornography implies sex. Others that it is defined by the content’s purpose. Some would contend that considering the mere exposition of the female body outside of any sexual interaction as pornographic is, in itself, objectification and sexualisation. I don’t really have an opinion. And, in the case of this specific painting, to me it is merely an amusing, well-thought, intriguing, multi-layered play on both words and symbols, that isn’t really significantly any more graphic than the anatomy book for children I had at 6 [1]. But that’s just me. Some could argue they aren’t even remotely the same. If you’d prefer a less divisive example, Instagram also banned Almodovar’s nipple film poster [2]. > Maybe the problem is more facebook banning all porn including the culturally relevant one. Or Facebook being left to decide what is and what isn’t porn, and applying their one and only rule to the whole world as if one size could fit all. [1]: https://www.amazon.fr/Limagerie-corps-humain-Emilie-Beaumont/dp/2215030216 https://www.amazon.fr/Limagerie-corps-humain-Emilie-Beaumont... [2]: https://www.wmagazine.com/culture/almodovar-nipple-poster-instagram https://www.wmagazine.com/culture/almodovar-nipple-poster-in...
- pmoriarty 3y ago
  "Some would say that pornography implies sex. Others that it is defined by the content’s purpose. Some would contend that considering the mere exposition of the female body outside of any sexual interaction as pornographic is, in itself, objectification and sexualisation." It definitely varies from culture to culture. In the US a bared nipple on national television was a sensation, in the UK it's par for the course. In some cultures women regularly go bare chested, in the US being topless on a beach could land you in jail. In some cultures men wear nothing but a penis-sheath in public, while that would be considered outrageous in many other cultures. In the US it used to be considered indecent if a woman showed an ankle, and uncivilized not to wear a hat. In India hugging or kissing in public might get you assaulted[1], while it's no big deal in many other countries. There are taboos in every culture, but what is taboo varies from one culture to another. [1] - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-65593675 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-65593675
- plastic3169 3y ago
  Yes, I totally agree with you and the Almadovar poster is another good example. The earlier artwork just brought to my mind that maybe porn is age old thing and it’s interesting that if it survives for long enough it gets this aura of acceptability. Either way I think social media platforms should tune their filters to each society they operate in.
  - ElFitz 3y ago
    Oh, porn definitely is an extremely old thing. Pompei is remarkable in that aspect. Not only for the porn [1] preserved by the eruption, but also for the (some explicit) graffiti [2] [3] [4] [5]. It seems their perception and use too have evolved over time. And that "x was here" truly is timeless. [1]: https://blainebonham.com/the-brothels-of-pompeii-may-i-see-a-menu-please/ https://blainebonham.com/the-brothels-of-pompeii-may-i-see-a... [2]: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/03/adrienne-was-here/475719/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/03/adrie... [3]: https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-pompeii-and-herculaneu https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-p... [4]: https://www.wondriumdaily.com/writing-on-the-wall-decoding-the-political-and-personal-themes-of-pompeii-graffiti/ https://www.wondriumdaily.com/writing-on-the-wall-decoding-t... [5]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_graffiti https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_graffiti

ElFitz 3y ago

That would be hard to say. I recall a US Supreme Justice basically defining "hard-core pornography" as "I know it when I see it". Some would say that pornography implies sex. Others that it is defined by the content’s purpose. Some would contend that considering the mere exposition of the female body outside of any sexual interaction as pornographic is, in itself, objectification and sexualisation. I don’t really have an opinion. And, in the case of this specific painting, to me it is merely an amusing, well-thought, intriguing, multi-layered play on both words and symbols, that isn’t really significantly any more graphic than the anatomy book for children I had at 6 [1]. But that’s just me. Some could argue they aren’t even remotely the same. If you’d prefer a less divisive example, Instagram also banned Almodovar’s nipple film poster [2]. > Maybe the problem is more facebook banning all porn including the culturally relevant one. Or Facebook being left to decide what is and what isn’t porn, and applying their one and only rule to the whole world as if one size could fit all. [1]: https://www.amazon.fr/Limagerie-corps-humain-Emilie-Beaumont/dp/2215030216 https://www.amazon.fr/Limagerie-corps-humain-Emilie-Beaumont... [2]: https://www.wmagazine.com/culture/almodovar-nipple-poster-instagram https://www.wmagazine.com/culture/almodovar-nipple-poster-in...

pmoriarty 3y ago
"Some would say that pornography implies sex. Others that it is defined by the content’s purpose. Some would contend that considering the mere exposition of the female body outside of any sexual interaction as pornographic is, in itself, objectification and sexualisation." It definitely varies from culture to culture. In the US a bared nipple on national television was a sensation, in the UK it's par for the course. In some cultures women regularly go bare chested, in the US being topless on a beach could land you in jail. In some cultures men wear nothing but a penis-sheath in public, while that would be considered outrageous in many other cultures. In the US it used to be considered indecent if a woman showed an ankle, and uncivilized not to wear a hat. In India hugging or kissing in public might get you assaulted[1], while it's no big deal in many other countries. There are taboos in every culture, but what is taboo varies from one culture to another. [1] - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-65593675 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-65593675
plastic3169 3y ago
Yes, I totally agree with you and the Almadovar poster is another good example. The earlier artwork just brought to my mind that maybe porn is age old thing and it’s interesting that if it survives for long enough it gets this aura of acceptability. Either way I think social media platforms should tune their filters to each society they operate in.
- ElFitz 3y ago
  Oh, porn definitely is an extremely old thing. Pompei is remarkable in that aspect. Not only for the porn [1] preserved by the eruption, but also for the (some explicit) graffiti [2] [3] [4] [5]. It seems their perception and use too have evolved over time. And that "x was here" truly is timeless. [1]: https://blainebonham.com/the-brothels-of-pompeii-may-i-see-a-menu-please/ https://blainebonham.com/the-brothels-of-pompeii-may-i-see-a... [2]: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/03/adrienne-was-here/475719/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/03/adrie... [3]: https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-pompeii-and-herculaneu https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-p... [4]: https://www.wondriumdaily.com/writing-on-the-wall-decoding-the-political-and-personal-themes-of-pompeii-graffiti/ https://www.wondriumdaily.com/writing-on-the-wall-decoding-t... [5]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_graffiti https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_graffiti