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Suppressing news stories and users at the behest of the FBI has nothing to do with complying with local laws. Let's not forget that Twitter was actively becomin

Suppressing news stories and users at the behest of the FBI has nothing to do with complying with local laws. Let's not forget that Twitter was actively becoming a host for child porn at the same time, and not addressing that issue simultaneously.

hutzlibu 3y ago
"Let's not forget that Twitter was actively becoming a host for child porn at the same time" I never knew in the first place. Is this a solid fact? I find it hard to imagine people sharing cp via twitter.
- infecto 3y ago
  Anecdotal but they did have a pretty active team around the time identifying CP and terrorist beheading type videos/images. They did have a pretty big issue with terrorist orgs using Twitter, would not surprise me CP made its way there.
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    Terrorists want the maximum attention for their videos. Pedophiles usually not, so I really do not see a connection.
- yonaguska 3y ago
  https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/elon-musks-says-the-issue-of-child-sexual-exploitation-content-on-twitter-is-priority-1/articleshow/95668308.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/elon-musks-says-the... And personally, yes, I came across accounts that were doing this. Seemed like they were mostly based outside of the USA, and the exploitation is usually something along the lines of someone using existing porn, advertising a series of link shorteners to access said porn, then profiting from the ad clicks. This is probably not profitable for anyone in a developed country, and is also probably only profitable due to child porn being outright banned from most of the internet, with no free access to material, people will jump through hoops to access said material. I'd been reporting those accounts for years to no avail until recently. Instagram has the same issue. I gave up on reporting on Instagram as I couldn't stomach seeing this stuff and my reports never had any results. The people sharing this stuff on Instagram fall into a few categories, occasionally parents, and other adults selling access to pictures/videos of their young children and toddlers in bikinis, something that would otherwise not be sexual, except that they are selling to an audience that is sexualizing it. Instagram will not take any of this down as it's not technically nudity. Maybe it's changed though. The other class of abusers are usually non USA based, and they'll exploit Instagram live to share, multiple broadcasters will be streaming, but one will be broadcasting hardcore child porn. You can only report one host of the stream, and by the time anyone looks at it, presumably, they've switched to another account to stream. It will usually be another broadcaster that was on the previous stream. I couldn't continue spending time reporting this stuff due to the hardcore nature of it. Instagram really needs to fix their reporting and allow reporting of every single broadcaster that is part of a live stream.
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    Ok, this is something, even though the articles alone seem blown out of proportion a bit, but if you personally confirm, that you were reporting those accounts with nothing happening and now this changed, then I will take your word for it. And thanks for trying to fight the dark corners.
- mikrotikker 3y ago
  If you think that's crazy look at the blatant CP ring the WSJ unveiled on Instagram last week.
londons_explore 3y ago
Child porn is a good example of censorship that is both required by local law (in most countries) and widely supported by the population.
sandworm101 3y ago
The FBI enforce local laws, ie US federal law. Cooperation with them sound exactly like compliance with local laws. We might want everyone to "fight the police" in the name of freedom, but in the real world most people cooperate with reasonable police requests, deferring to thier understanding of the law rather than hashing every little thing out in courts. When a cop on the street asks for help, most people do actually lend a hand.
- bombolo 3y ago
  doing whatever the police tells you to do and following the law aren't the same thing.
- torpid 3y ago
  SCOTUS has already ruled that for first amendment purposes, if the government hires a contractor to censor, it is still censoring and violating the first amendment. The FBI does not enforce supreme laws to which they are subject to, they have throughout their pathetic existence continue to routinely break laws largely with impunity.
  - sandworm101 3y ago
    Ya. The government cannot pay twitter to do what the government itself could not do. That says nothing about twitter voluntarily doing something to appease authorities. The police normally cannot force people to cooperate with thier investigations, yet millions of people still do. If everyone exercised thier rights to non-cooperation in each and every cicumstance they could, criminal justice would grind to a halt.

hutzlibu 3y ago

"Let's not forget that Twitter was actively becoming a host for child porn at the same time" I never knew in the first place. Is this a solid fact? I find it hard to imagine people sharing cp via twitter.

infecto 3y ago
Anecdotal but they did have a pretty active team around the time identifying CP and terrorist beheading type videos/images. They did have a pretty big issue with terrorist orgs using Twitter, would not surprise me CP made its way there.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  Terrorists want the maximum attention for their videos. Pedophiles usually not, so I really do not see a connection.
yonaguska 3y ago
https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/elon-musks-says-the-issue-of-child-sexual-exploitation-content-on-twitter-is-priority-1/articleshow/95668308.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/elon-musks-says-the... And personally, yes, I came across accounts that were doing this. Seemed like they were mostly based outside of the USA, and the exploitation is usually something along the lines of someone using existing porn, advertising a series of link shorteners to access said porn, then profiting from the ad clicks. This is probably not profitable for anyone in a developed country, and is also probably only profitable due to child porn being outright banned from most of the internet, with no free access to material, people will jump through hoops to access said material. I'd been reporting those accounts for years to no avail until recently. Instagram has the same issue. I gave up on reporting on Instagram as I couldn't stomach seeing this stuff and my reports never had any results. The people sharing this stuff on Instagram fall into a few categories, occasionally parents, and other adults selling access to pictures/videos of their young children and toddlers in bikinis, something that would otherwise not be sexual, except that they are selling to an audience that is sexualizing it. Instagram will not take any of this down as it's not technically nudity. Maybe it's changed though. The other class of abusers are usually non USA based, and they'll exploit Instagram live to share, multiple broadcasters will be streaming, but one will be broadcasting hardcore child porn. You can only report one host of the stream, and by the time anyone looks at it, presumably, they've switched to another account to stream. It will usually be another broadcaster that was on the previous stream. I couldn't continue spending time reporting this stuff due to the hardcore nature of it. Instagram really needs to fix their reporting and allow reporting of every single broadcaster that is part of a live stream.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  Ok, this is something, even though the articles alone seem blown out of proportion a bit, but if you personally confirm, that you were reporting those accounts with nothing happening and now this changed, then I will take your word for it. And thanks for trying to fight the dark corners.
mikrotikker 3y ago
If you think that's crazy look at the blatant CP ring the WSJ unveiled on Instagram last week.

londons_explore 3y ago

Child porn is a good example of censorship that is both required by local law (in most countries) and widely supported by the population.

sandworm101 3y ago

The FBI enforce local laws, ie US federal law. Cooperation with them sound exactly like compliance with local laws. We might want everyone to "fight the police" in the name of freedom, but in the real world most people cooperate with reasonable police requests, deferring to thier understanding of the law rather than hashing every little thing out in courts. When a cop on the street asks for help, most people do actually lend a hand.

bombolo 3y ago
doing whatever the police tells you to do and following the law aren't the same thing.
torpid 3y ago
SCOTUS has already ruled that for first amendment purposes, if the government hires a contractor to censor, it is still censoring and violating the first amendment. The FBI does not enforce supreme laws to which they are subject to, they have throughout their pathetic existence continue to routinely break laws largely with impunity.
- sandworm101 3y ago
  Ya. The government cannot pay twitter to do what the government itself could not do. That says nothing about twitter voluntarily doing something to appease authorities. The police normally cannot force people to cooperate with thier investigations, yet millions of people still do. If everyone exercised thier rights to non-cooperation in each and every cicumstance they could, criminal justice would grind to a halt.