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Median wage does not mean living wage. The living wage in other countries is quite a lot lower. Their money goes far further. Just because we have big starting

Median wage does not mean living wage. The living wage in other countries is quite a lot lower. Their money goes far further. Just because we have big starting number doesn't mean we can thrive with big starting number.

refurb 3y ago
Please define living wage then.
- t-writescode 3y ago
  Sufficient earnings to be able to afford housing, food, the necessities for modern life including internet and cell service, health care in countries where it’s not part of your taxes, and a standard emergency in your country (in the US, this would be a medical emergency, like a broken bone) as well as some on top for enjoying your life a bit.
  - refurb 3y ago
    What kind of housing? Would a 1 room apartment shared with another adult suffice? What kind of food? Is 1MB internet ok? A flip phone? And what kind of healthcare? Cutting edge healthcare or the basics? “Living wage” means nothing without answering those questions?
    - t-writescode 3y ago
      housing: * sufficient for a single parent food: * the federal government has established projected costs of food per person healthcare: * I believe that all healthcare should be covered, so that. If not that, then an HSA with enough additional money added to their salary to cover the maximum out-of-pocket expenses Internet: * average internet available in the area with a minimum of "sufficient to live-stream video footage from one's house for as many residents as live in that place", so parent and child can both join Zoom meetings for whatever reason. The tactic you're performing here is called "Sea lioning" and it's a bad-faith tactic; but I'll answer the questions just in case you didn't know what I meant by what I said.
      - refurb 3y ago
        housing: sufficient for a single parent A single parent could share a 1 bedroom apartment with another single parent. That's ok? I believe that all healthcare should be covered No country covers all healthcare. The tactic you're performing here is called "Sea lioning" and it's a bad-faith tactic; but I'll answer the questions just in case you didn't know what I meant by what I said. You didn't answer the questions at all. Saying "it needs to be sufficient" is not an answer. And calling it "sealioning" doesn't change that.
        PlunderBunny 3y ago
        The living wage movement has organisations that attempt to define a living wage. See, for example, https://www.livingwage.org.nz/about https://www.livingwage.org.nz/about in my own country. They pressure companies into adopting a living wage, and have been reasonably successful. You seem to be arguing that because things can't be perfect or perfectly defined, that the entire idea is invalid.
        refurb 3y ago
        Your link provides zero details. And I'm not arguing it's not perfectly defined, but how can you ask for something if you can't describe what it is?
        PlunderBunny 3y ago
        On the page I linked to: 'In the same year independent research by the Family Centre Social Policy Research Unit established the first Living Wage rate for New Zealand, $18.40 per hour." That quote contains a link to the Family Centre (https://familycentre.org.nz https://familycentre.org.nz) which - if you look down that page a bit - contains the most recent report that defines what a living wage is, how it is determined, and how and when it is reviewed. It describes very clearly what a living wage is. What is your point exactly?

refurb 3y ago

Please define living wage then.

t-writescode 3y ago
Sufficient earnings to be able to afford housing, food, the necessities for modern life including internet and cell service, health care in countries where it’s not part of your taxes, and a standard emergency in your country (in the US, this would be a medical emergency, like a broken bone) as well as some on top for enjoying your life a bit.
- refurb 3y ago
  What kind of housing? Would a 1 room apartment shared with another adult suffice? What kind of food? Is 1MB internet ok? A flip phone? And what kind of healthcare? Cutting edge healthcare or the basics? “Living wage” means nothing without answering those questions?
  - t-writescode 3y ago
    housing: * sufficient for a single parent food: * the federal government has established projected costs of food per person healthcare: * I believe that all healthcare should be covered, so that. If not that, then an HSA with enough additional money added to their salary to cover the maximum out-of-pocket expenses Internet: * average internet available in the area with a minimum of "sufficient to live-stream video footage from one's house for as many residents as live in that place", so parent and child can both join Zoom meetings for whatever reason. The tactic you're performing here is called "Sea lioning" and it's a bad-faith tactic; but I'll answer the questions just in case you didn't know what I meant by what I said.
    - refurb 3y ago
      housing: sufficient for a single parent A single parent could share a 1 bedroom apartment with another single parent. That's ok? I believe that all healthcare should be covered No country covers all healthcare. The tactic you're performing here is called "Sea lioning" and it's a bad-faith tactic; but I'll answer the questions just in case you didn't know what I meant by what I said. You didn't answer the questions at all. Saying "it needs to be sufficient" is not an answer. And calling it "sealioning" doesn't change that.
      - PlunderBunny 3y ago
        The living wage movement has organisations that attempt to define a living wage. See, for example, https://www.livingwage.org.nz/about https://www.livingwage.org.nz/about in my own country. They pressure companies into adopting a living wage, and have been reasonably successful. You seem to be arguing that because things can't be perfect or perfectly defined, that the entire idea is invalid.
        refurb 3y ago
        Your link provides zero details. And I'm not arguing it's not perfectly defined, but how can you ask for something if you can't describe what it is?
        PlunderBunny 3y ago
        On the page I linked to: 'In the same year independent research by the Family Centre Social Policy Research Unit established the first Living Wage rate for New Zealand, $18.40 per hour." That quote contains a link to the Family Centre (https://familycentre.org.nz https://familycentre.org.nz) which - if you look down that page a bit - contains the most recent report that defines what a living wage is, how it is determined, and how and when it is reviewed. It describes very clearly what a living wage is. What is your point exactly?