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What you put in is crucial. You see you're fat. Eat less. Don't blame the antibiotics. Even when it's antibiotics to blame for, is them forcing you to eat mo

What you put in is crucial. You see you're fat. Eat less. Don't blame the antibiotics. Even when it's antibiotics to blame for, is them forcing you to eat more than needed, too?

anonymouskimmer 3y ago
Not "forcing", no, in fact maybe the very opposite in those with the right bacteria. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/gut-bacteria-may-be-controlling-your-appetite-180957389/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/gut-bacteria-m... > Experiments in mice and rats suggest that certain microbes living in your body as part of the gut microbiome have ways of letting the brain know when they've received enough nutrients to reach their goal—creating a billion more of their kind. Those signals seem to turn hunger on and off in their hosts. > Many studies suggest that our gut produces hormones that tell our brain to either grab some more grub or stop eating. Fetissov thinks that E. coli may be hijacking this molecular pathway to produce the signals that make animals feel full, and that doing so may be a way for the bacteria to self-regulate their populations.
- theGeatZhopa 3y ago
  Yes, I'm not declining the effects of gut bacteria. They're more than just good for nutrition.. This are speculations among science xD it's known that when one starts to eat, it takes some time for the stomach to notice that it gets some work and start production of the protons and enzymes. If you eat very fast, you'll put in more than the "optimal" capacity for the stomach is, because you're faster than the signal. You can try it out on yourself. Just measure the time on one day and try to eat swallow as much as possible in 2-5 mins and take notes how much it was and whether you stil feel hungry. On other day, try to chew as much as possible, like 20-30 times per bite. you'll figure out the proper amount per bite quickly, so it won't be to big :) Do it for 10 or 15 minutes. Assess how much you've eaten and your feeling of hunger. I can promise you, you won't feel hungry and still have eaten less.
  - anonymouskimmer 3y ago
    I have tried this in the past and it does work. I completely agree with your advice. When I'm feeling stress it's more difficult to do so, and when I am stressed enough even eating slowly (or spacing out what I'm eating into courses) doesn't help stop the craving.
Quinzel 3y ago
While I don’t disagree that what you put in is crucial, I believe there is quite a lot of evidence to support the theory that gut bacteria plays a role in weight (and overall health in general). Obesity is actually a pretty complex disease. To argue that to solve the issue one should just “eat less” is overly simplistic. If it was actually that simple we would not have an obesity epidemic. There are environmental, social, cultural and psychological aspects to obesity, as well as the complex biological inner workings, making “eat less” a pretty ignorant solution to a complex problem.
- eternityforest 3y ago
  It's slightly better than the other oversimplified solution of "Just excercise more". Technically some people say you live longer if you excercise even if you're overweight compared to a thin person who doesn't, but it's also a whole lot harder so if someone can't just solve the problem with less food, I don't see how they could solve it with more excercise. Unless the whole problem is they're doing unhealthy things because they're sad, and they're one of those people that will feel so good about getting stronger and setting PRs that they'll no longer want to eat their feelings and will want to keep excercising.
  - theGeatZhopa 3y ago
    The world's elderly are more healthy and older where ever they constraint to eat less food. Often, or better, always, that food isn't preprocessed in any way by machinery and intents of industrial production. But rather freshly made like rice. Noodles. All with natural ingredients, that may be self produced, too. A diet with lots of fat fish and less carbohydrates allows some Japanese elderly to live looong time. It's not about exercise. They don't exercise anymore since long time, I guess..
- theGeatZhopa 3y ago
  Actually it's pretty easy. Whatever energy you put in, that will be used. Stop drinking cola, eat burgers and more salad. The whole thing is just willingness. Even there are things like gut bacteria transfer, and so.. still. Even with the wrong bacteria it's a matter of what and how much you eat.

What you put in is crucial. You see you're fat. Eat less. Don't blame the antibiotics. Even when it's antibiotics to blame for, is them forcing you to eat more than needed, too?

anonymouskimmer 3y ago

Not "forcing", no, in fact maybe the very opposite in those with the right bacteria. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/gut-bacteria-may-be-controlling-your-appetite-180957389/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/gut-bacteria-m... > Experiments in mice and rats suggest that certain microbes living in your body as part of the gut microbiome have ways of letting the brain know when they've received enough nutrients to reach their goal—creating a billion more of their kind. Those signals seem to turn hunger on and off in their hosts. > Many studies suggest that our gut produces hormones that tell our brain to either grab some more grub or stop eating. Fetissov thinks that E. coli may be hijacking this molecular pathway to produce the signals that make animals feel full, and that doing so may be a way for the bacteria to self-regulate their populations.

theGeatZhopa 3y ago
Yes, I'm not declining the effects of gut bacteria. They're more than just good for nutrition.. This are speculations among science xD it's known that when one starts to eat, it takes some time for the stomach to notice that it gets some work and start production of the protons and enzymes. If you eat very fast, you'll put in more than the "optimal" capacity for the stomach is, because you're faster than the signal. You can try it out on yourself. Just measure the time on one day and try to eat swallow as much as possible in 2-5 mins and take notes how much it was and whether you stil feel hungry. On other day, try to chew as much as possible, like 20-30 times per bite. you'll figure out the proper amount per bite quickly, so it won't be to big :) Do it for 10 or 15 minutes. Assess how much you've eaten and your feeling of hunger. I can promise you, you won't feel hungry and still have eaten less.
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
  I have tried this in the past and it does work. I completely agree with your advice. When I'm feeling stress it's more difficult to do so, and when I am stressed enough even eating slowly (or spacing out what I'm eating into courses) doesn't help stop the craving.

Quinzel 3y ago

While I don’t disagree that what you put in is crucial, I believe there is quite a lot of evidence to support the theory that gut bacteria plays a role in weight (and overall health in general). Obesity is actually a pretty complex disease. To argue that to solve the issue one should just “eat less” is overly simplistic. If it was actually that simple we would not have an obesity epidemic. There are environmental, social, cultural and psychological aspects to obesity, as well as the complex biological inner workings, making “eat less” a pretty ignorant solution to a complex problem.

eternityforest 3y ago
It's slightly better than the other oversimplified solution of "Just excercise more". Technically some people say you live longer if you excercise even if you're overweight compared to a thin person who doesn't, but it's also a whole lot harder so if someone can't just solve the problem with less food, I don't see how they could solve it with more excercise. Unless the whole problem is they're doing unhealthy things because they're sad, and they're one of those people that will feel so good about getting stronger and setting PRs that they'll no longer want to eat their feelings and will want to keep excercising.
- theGeatZhopa 3y ago
  The world's elderly are more healthy and older where ever they constraint to eat less food. Often, or better, always, that food isn't preprocessed in any way by machinery and intents of industrial production. But rather freshly made like rice. Noodles. All with natural ingredients, that may be self produced, too. A diet with lots of fat fish and less carbohydrates allows some Japanese elderly to live looong time. It's not about exercise. They don't exercise anymore since long time, I guess..
theGeatZhopa 3y ago
Actually it's pretty easy. Whatever energy you put in, that will be used. Stop drinking cola, eat burgers and more salad. The whole thing is just willingness. Even there are things like gut bacteria transfer, and so.. still. Even with the wrong bacteria it's a matter of what and how much you eat.