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> Are you going to trust people who support authoritarian censorship with the open source platform you speak on? Couldn't you just avoid that particular instan

> Are you going to trust people who support authoritarian censorship with the open source platform you speak on? Couldn't you just avoid that particular instance then?

bioemerl 3y ago
Yes, you could, if you want to also audit their code base and maintain their code base going into the future indefinitely.
- jrflowers 3y ago
  What is your current system to make sure that the code that you run on your machine isn’t politically totalitarian?
  - bioemerl 3y ago
    You're asking this in bad faith, but... First off, I'm opting to not use Lemmy. I've swapped my whole computer stack except for one gaming PC to Linux. I adamantly avoid any hardware whose stack is owned by anyone in China, and I run a pretty tight ship when it comes to my firewall and networking. Next on my list is getting my phone de googled.
    - jrflowers 3y ago
      There isn’t any response to your point that can’t easily be deflected as being in “bad faith” because your own argument is an emotional appeal. Your position is that the people you despise are so bad that their code is itself tainted to the extent that even running it runs the risk of… genocide or something? In order to achieve a purity in your view would require a line-by-line political Bill Of Materials that includes the political beliefs at the time of the coders at time of each commit. It is nonsensical.
      - bioemerl 3y ago
        > Your position is that the people you despise are so bad that Well, no, I've given a very specific and reasonable reason. They support authoritarian censorship and control, states that perform authoritarian censorship and control. They're trying to run an open message platform. It's not just because they're bad people, it's because they support states that are involved in the active censorship of speech. You're trusting them with a message platform that's supposed to promote free speech. It's not emotional, that's not just them being bad. It is a hilarious and obvious conflict of interest. > code is itself tainted Yeah. If you can't trust the authors you can't trust the code. You can perform a audit on it, you can create a team that maintains it as a fork, and at that point it's safe. Unless you're willing to do that work, and nobody's willing to do that work, it's not safe. > In order to achieve a purity in your view would require a line-by-line political Bill Of Materials that includes the political beliefs at the time of the coders at time of each commit. It is nonsensical. No, I just don't want the developers to be obvious and blatant supporters of what are basically fascist nations. If they really love mixed housing developments I don't really care. It's not about their politics, it's about the fact that they have specifically very extreme politics that are a conflict of interest with the very software they're developing.
        jrflowers 3y ago
        > No, I just don't want the developers to be obvious and blatant supporters of what are basically fascist nations. Why did you use the words “blatant” and “obvious” in this sentence?
        bioemerl 3y ago
        Because it's obvious and blatant? I wouldn't want them to be hidden either, but I'm not going to notice if it's hidden and then I would tell you the same thing except instead of obvious and blatant I would say sneaky weasly and malicious.
        jrflowers 3y ago
        Thank you for clarifying that you don’t want to run code written by people that support authoritarianism regardless of their public stance on that. I’m confused though, if you’re very adamant about not running code that was written by authoritarians, how do you use a computer at all? I appreciate that you switched to Linux — it being open source means you (or your team) can audit it to make sure that it isn’t supporting genocide. That isn’t something that you could do with closed source software like Windows, so it makes sense with your ideological goal. Considering the Herculean effort it takes to track the political leanings of contributors to the Linux kernel and the multitude of various packages, is there any open source software that you suggest people not run that doesn’t happen to be a Reddit competitor? Edited for clarity

> Are you going to trust people who support authoritarian censorship with the open source platform you speak on? Couldn't you just avoid that particular instance then?

bioemerl 3y ago

Yes, you could, if you want to also audit their code base and maintain their code base going into the future indefinitely.

jrflowers 3y ago
What is your current system to make sure that the code that you run on your machine isn’t politically totalitarian?
- bioemerl 3y ago
  You're asking this in bad faith, but... First off, I'm opting to not use Lemmy. I've swapped my whole computer stack except for one gaming PC to Linux. I adamantly avoid any hardware whose stack is owned by anyone in China, and I run a pretty tight ship when it comes to my firewall and networking. Next on my list is getting my phone de googled.
  - jrflowers 3y ago
    There isn’t any response to your point that can’t easily be deflected as being in “bad faith” because your own argument is an emotional appeal. Your position is that the people you despise are so bad that their code is itself tainted to the extent that even running it runs the risk of… genocide or something? In order to achieve a purity in your view would require a line-by-line political Bill Of Materials that includes the political beliefs at the time of the coders at time of each commit. It is nonsensical.
    - bioemerl 3y ago
      > Your position is that the people you despise are so bad that Well, no, I've given a very specific and reasonable reason. They support authoritarian censorship and control, states that perform authoritarian censorship and control. They're trying to run an open message platform. It's not just because they're bad people, it's because they support states that are involved in the active censorship of speech. You're trusting them with a message platform that's supposed to promote free speech. It's not emotional, that's not just them being bad. It is a hilarious and obvious conflict of interest. > code is itself tainted Yeah. If you can't trust the authors you can't trust the code. You can perform a audit on it, you can create a team that maintains it as a fork, and at that point it's safe. Unless you're willing to do that work, and nobody's willing to do that work, it's not safe. > In order to achieve a purity in your view would require a line-by-line political Bill Of Materials that includes the political beliefs at the time of the coders at time of each commit. It is nonsensical. No, I just don't want the developers to be obvious and blatant supporters of what are basically fascist nations. If they really love mixed housing developments I don't really care. It's not about their politics, it's about the fact that they have specifically very extreme politics that are a conflict of interest with the very software they're developing.
      - jrflowers 3y ago
        > No, I just don't want the developers to be obvious and blatant supporters of what are basically fascist nations. Why did you use the words “blatant” and “obvious” in this sentence?
        bioemerl 3y ago
        Because it's obvious and blatant? I wouldn't want them to be hidden either, but I'm not going to notice if it's hidden and then I would tell you the same thing except instead of obvious and blatant I would say sneaky weasly and malicious.
        jrflowers 3y ago
        Thank you for clarifying that you don’t want to run code written by people that support authoritarianism regardless of their public stance on that. I’m confused though, if you’re very adamant about not running code that was written by authoritarians, how do you use a computer at all? I appreciate that you switched to Linux — it being open source means you (or your team) can audit it to make sure that it isn’t supporting genocide. That isn’t something that you could do with closed source software like Windows, so it makes sense with your ideological goal. Considering the Herculean effort it takes to track the political leanings of contributors to the Linux kernel and the multitude of various packages, is there any open source software that you suggest people not run that doesn’t happen to be a Reddit competitor? Edited for clarity