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The problem with this one is it’s not going to change anything because we made a business decision that we’re not negotiating on. That's just straight up incom

The problem with this one is it’s not going to change anything because we made a business decision that we’re not negotiating on. That's just straight up incompetence. -Everything- is negotiable at the end of the day. To draw a line in the sand like that and refuse to negotiate at all is extremely childish. It's the kind of thing that's appropriate on a 5th grade playground, not in the world of a purportedly serious business that's looking to IPO.

rcme 3y ago
He didn’t say the decision was non-negotiable. He said that they’re not [currently] negotiating on the decision.
habitue 3y ago
> -Everything- is negotiable at the end of the day. Right, and saying "We aren't going to negotiate" is a negotiating tactic
- cmcaleer 3y ago
  Of course, and if you play that card you shouldn’t be surprised if your counterparty gets up from the table and walks away.
  - posguy 3y ago
    The counterparty might expect that you are honest when you say it is not negotiable and the reasonable course of action is to re-evaluate working with you as a business partner. This burns the platform as you destroy features the userbase has come to depend on, see all of the companies and government entities that stopped offering anything (timetable updates, support, etc) on Twitter given the recent burning of API partners that Twitter followed through on.
    - vachina 3y ago
      Govs should not use Twitter to conduct business. Not everyone uses Twitter, and by your own example can disappear anytime. Also I’m sure Reddit has already made deliberation and determined losing some friends is worth it.
      - Timon3 3y ago
        Governments should meet their constituents where they are. There should always be a self-hosted channel by the government, but apart from that also publishing to common social media sites seems like a great service for people.
      - xattt 3y ago
        Twitter was used (and not a presidential alert) to warn people about an active mass shooting: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/rcmp-twitter-alert-mass-shooting-portapique-nova-scotia-1.6477095 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/rcmp-twitter-aler...
_5hxt 3y ago
They think they can get away with it. Why wouldn't you when you see this trend? https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0b2334&hl=en-GB https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0... Time will tell if it's gonna do a facebook or not: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F02y1vz&hl=en-GB https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0...
- merek 3y ago
  The FB trend is amazing, however I suspect the increasing uptake of mobile devices and use of the FB app played a role in the decline of web search. Seems we can't filter by mobile vs desktop.
- pcthrowaway 3y ago
  I'm pretty sure the reddit trend is from people increasingly including "reddit" in their searches, a trend which is an indictment of Google's search quality deterioration over time, as well as Reddit's search never working well in the first place
  - _5hxt 3y ago
    Partially. But that was not my point. Their growth has been insane. https://backlinko.com/reddit-users https://backlinko.com/reddit-users
cyanydeez 3y ago
Dudes hero is Elon, _after_ he bought twotter
blooalien 3y ago
> "It's the kind of thing that's appropriate on a 5th grade playground" I'm honestly starting to think that a great many 5th graders may just be a good deal more mature than a lotta corporate and political leaders these days.

rcme 3y ago

He didn’t say the decision was non-negotiable. He said that they’re not [currently] negotiating on the decision.

habitue 3y ago

> -Everything- is negotiable at the end of the day. Right, and saying "We aren't going to negotiate" is a negotiating tactic

cmcaleer 3y ago
Of course, and if you play that card you shouldn’t be surprised if your counterparty gets up from the table and walks away.
- posguy 3y ago
  The counterparty might expect that you are honest when you say it is not negotiable and the reasonable course of action is to re-evaluate working with you as a business partner. This burns the platform as you destroy features the userbase has come to depend on, see all of the companies and government entities that stopped offering anything (timetable updates, support, etc) on Twitter given the recent burning of API partners that Twitter followed through on.
  - vachina 3y ago
    Govs should not use Twitter to conduct business. Not everyone uses Twitter, and by your own example can disappear anytime. Also I’m sure Reddit has already made deliberation and determined losing some friends is worth it.
    - Timon3 3y ago
      Governments should meet their constituents where they are. There should always be a self-hosted channel by the government, but apart from that also publishing to common social media sites seems like a great service for people.
    - xattt 3y ago
      Twitter was used (and not a presidential alert) to warn people about an active mass shooting: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/rcmp-twitter-alert-mass-shooting-portapique-nova-scotia-1.6477095 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/rcmp-twitter-aler...

_5hxt 3y ago

They think they can get away with it. Why wouldn't you when you see this trend? https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0b2334&hl=en-GB https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0... Time will tell if it's gonna do a facebook or not: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F02y1vz&hl=en-GB https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0...

merek 3y ago
The FB trend is amazing, however I suspect the increasing uptake of mobile devices and use of the FB app played a role in the decline of web search. Seems we can't filter by mobile vs desktop.
pcthrowaway 3y ago
I'm pretty sure the reddit trend is from people increasingly including "reddit" in their searches, a trend which is an indictment of Google's search quality deterioration over time, as well as Reddit's search never working well in the first place
- _5hxt 3y ago
  Partially. But that was not my point. Their growth has been insane. https://backlinko.com/reddit-users https://backlinko.com/reddit-users

cyanydeez 3y ago

Dudes hero is Elon, _after_ he bought twotter

blooalien 3y ago

> "It's the kind of thing that's appropriate on a 5th grade playground" I'm honestly starting to think that a great many 5th graders may just be a good deal more mature than a lotta corporate and political leaders these days.