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You can go visit for yourself.

simoncion 3y ago
I live in the neighborhood, and have for more than a decade. I fairly-frequently walk by Brenda's, and also walk through many other parts of the Tenderloin and into Union Square, and through the waterfront. On bad days, I have seen single-digit numbers of cars with smashed windows. On typical days, I see zero. Your report just doesn't jive with my on-the-ground experience, whether past or present. If you were in town for some big event of some sort, I guess you should consider the possibility that folks associated with the event decided to turn hooligan and smash shit.
- deviantbit 3y ago
  We walked from the Ritz to the Opera House, and I can't tell you how many windows on cars were smashed. Maybe you've lived there so long you're blind to it.
  - simoncion 3y ago
    > Maybe you've lived there so long you're blind to it. I assure you that I'm very much not blind to it. I'm super angry about how the city governors refuses to suppress the anti-housing faction, and lines their pockets at most every opportunity. But I'm definitely not blind to the folks living in the streets and their regular goings-on. And while I'm angry about what the government is failing to do, I'm not _shocked_ and/or _appalled_ by what's happening on the streets. In my personal experience, I've found that folks who are shocked and/or deeply offended by a thing tend to remember the thing as being far more extreme than it actually was. shrug
    - deviantbit 3y ago
      I'll let you sort out the politics, but where I live, we don't see any of that. No one should have to worry about that stuff. This is a serious concern. Disease outbreaks occur because of these conditions. Something that really puzzled me about the homeless was many of them would be standing but bent over with their hands on the ground, and head between their knees. WTF is with that?
      - simoncion 3y ago
        > This is a serious concern. Yep. Housing the homeless and providing the medical and psychological care they need is the humane thing to do. The _inhumane_ thing to do is to simply move them out of the way so that rich tourists don't have to see them. (This is sometimes what the SFPD is ordered to do, and it boils my blood every time they do it.) > Disease outbreaks occur because of these conditions. You might be surprised at the medical outreach work that happens in the city. You'd do your psyche a bit of a favor by learning about the support programs in the city, maybe. > ...many of them would be standing but bent over with their hands on the ground, and head between their knees. Some are high. Some are physically damaged. Next time you're in town, you should _really_ talk to some of these folks. (edit: And by "these" folks, I don't mean "the folks who are clearly high out of their gourd", but I mean "the folks who are out on street living a normal life... just without a roof over their heads") The majority of them are actually quite pleasant people who are fun to chat with.
        deviantbit 3y ago
        You seem like a pleasant person. Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't think I will be returning anytime soon. You guys have a level of problems I want to stay far away from. Sometimes to be humane, you have to be inhumane. You guys do have some great restaurants. I hope you're able to keep them. Best of luck.
        simoncion 3y ago
        > Sometimes to be humane, you have to be inhumane. And what -exactly- do you mean by that? Please do be specific.
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        Not OP, but if someone is on the street openly using drugs and defecating on the sidewalk, those are crimes. They can be addressed through therapy or community support or jail. But they need to be addressed, even if the person in question would prefer they not be.
    - RobertRies 3y ago
      Not _shocked_ and/or _appalled_ by people literally dying of overdoses in the streets. Photo-albums strewn in the street when a burglar decided it was worthless and ditched it? A family purely distraught - the father sitting on the curb crying with his family when he discovered their U-haul was looted during their overnight stay at a hotel it was parked in? Stealing a dog from an old man who left it tied up outside a store for a moment. Stealing a ~10 year-old's small pink bicycle in front of unSafeway as the family went in to buy snacks and water for their bike ride, to find it gone when they came out. A man... entertaining himself while glairing intently at children in front of the Union Square McDonalds? These, and infinitely other unmentionable things (including a myriad of stories that involve myself as the victim, many of them worse than above): absolutely a daily occurrence for me in the TL. What is your bar for "shocking"? I believe you are blind.
- batch12 3y ago
  I can't recall the last time I saw a single thief-smashed car window where I live. If the occasional single digit breakage is no big deal then maybe you've gotten used to it?
  - grogenaut 3y ago
    it happens... I live in a nice suburb of seattle. someone smashed the side window of my mini to get into an empty grocery bag about 3 months back. we barely have package thiefs. Shit happens.
- primax 3y ago
  The normal amount of cars to see per day with smashed windows is 0, in a city with functioning laws and law enforcement
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > On bad days, I have seen single-digit numbers of cars with smashed windows I lived in New York for ten years, and can count on two hands the number of smashed car windows I’ve seen. In every case except one, there was someone nearby calling the police; in that one it was me.
- DiggyJohnson 3y ago
  I live in a downtown district of a mid size city: it is not normal to see a freshly smashed car window with any frequency whatsoever. You may have normalized this for yourself - your response seems to validate the person you’re disagreeing with.
grogenaut 3y ago
I have, this was not my experience as 5 months ago.
bbor 3y ago
… I live here

I live in the neighborhood, and have for more than a decade. I fairly-frequently walk by Brenda's, and also walk through many other parts of the Tenderloin and into Union Square, and through the waterfront. On bad days, I have seen single-digit numbers of cars with smashed windows. On typical days, I see zero. Your report just doesn't jive with my on-the-ground experience, whether past or present. If you were in town for some big event of some sort, I guess you should consider the possibility that folks associated with the event decided to turn hooligan and smash shit.

deviantbit 3y ago
We walked from the Ritz to the Opera House, and I can't tell you how many windows on cars were smashed. Maybe you've lived there so long you're blind to it.
- simoncion 3y ago
  > Maybe you've lived there so long you're blind to it. I assure you that I'm very much not blind to it. I'm super angry about how the city governors refuses to suppress the anti-housing faction, and lines their pockets at most every opportunity. But I'm definitely not blind to the folks living in the streets and their regular goings-on. And while I'm angry about what the government is failing to do, I'm not _shocked_ and/or _appalled_ by what's happening on the streets. In my personal experience, I've found that folks who are shocked and/or deeply offended by a thing tend to remember the thing as being far more extreme than it actually was. shrug
  - deviantbit 3y ago
    I'll let you sort out the politics, but where I live, we don't see any of that. No one should have to worry about that stuff. This is a serious concern. Disease outbreaks occur because of these conditions. Something that really puzzled me about the homeless was many of them would be standing but bent over with their hands on the ground, and head between their knees. WTF is with that?
    - simoncion 3y ago
      > This is a serious concern. Yep. Housing the homeless and providing the medical and psychological care they need is the humane thing to do. The _inhumane_ thing to do is to simply move them out of the way so that rich tourists don't have to see them. (This is sometimes what the SFPD is ordered to do, and it boils my blood every time they do it.) > Disease outbreaks occur because of these conditions. You might be surprised at the medical outreach work that happens in the city. You'd do your psyche a bit of a favor by learning about the support programs in the city, maybe. > ...many of them would be standing but bent over with their hands on the ground, and head between their knees. Some are high. Some are physically damaged. Next time you're in town, you should _really_ talk to some of these folks. (edit: And by "these" folks, I don't mean "the folks who are clearly high out of their gourd", but I mean "the folks who are out on street living a normal life... just without a roof over their heads") The majority of them are actually quite pleasant people who are fun to chat with.
      - deviantbit 3y ago
        You seem like a pleasant person. Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't think I will be returning anytime soon. You guys have a level of problems I want to stay far away from. Sometimes to be humane, you have to be inhumane. You guys do have some great restaurants. I hope you're able to keep them. Best of luck.
        simoncion 3y ago
        > Sometimes to be humane, you have to be inhumane. And what -exactly- do you mean by that? Please do be specific.
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        Not OP, but if someone is on the street openly using drugs and defecating on the sidewalk, those are crimes. They can be addressed through therapy or community support or jail. But they need to be addressed, even if the person in question would prefer they not be.
  - RobertRies 3y ago
    Not _shocked_ and/or _appalled_ by people literally dying of overdoses in the streets. Photo-albums strewn in the street when a burglar decided it was worthless and ditched it? A family purely distraught - the father sitting on the curb crying with his family when he discovered their U-haul was looted during their overnight stay at a hotel it was parked in? Stealing a dog from an old man who left it tied up outside a store for a moment. Stealing a ~10 year-old's small pink bicycle in front of unSafeway as the family went in to buy snacks and water for their bike ride, to find it gone when they came out. A man... entertaining himself while glairing intently at children in front of the Union Square McDonalds? These, and infinitely other unmentionable things (including a myriad of stories that involve myself as the victim, many of them worse than above): absolutely a daily occurrence for me in the TL. What is your bar for "shocking"? I believe you are blind.
batch12 3y ago
I can't recall the last time I saw a single thief-smashed car window where I live. If the occasional single digit breakage is no big deal then maybe you've gotten used to it?
- grogenaut 3y ago
  it happens... I live in a nice suburb of seattle. someone smashed the side window of my mini to get into an empty grocery bag about 3 months back. we barely have package thiefs. Shit happens.
primax 3y ago
The normal amount of cars to see per day with smashed windows is 0, in a city with functioning laws and law enforcement
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> On bad days, I have seen single-digit numbers of cars with smashed windows I lived in New York for ten years, and can count on two hands the number of smashed car windows I’ve seen. In every case except one, there was someone nearby calling the police; in that one it was me.
DiggyJohnson 3y ago
I live in a downtown district of a mid size city: it is not normal to see a freshly smashed car window with any frequency whatsoever. You may have normalized this for yourself - your response seems to validate the person you’re disagreeing with.

grogenaut 3y ago

I have, this was not my experience as 5 months ago.

bbor 3y ago

… I live here