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If you move the mouse up to the top of the screen in fullscreen mode the menu bar will reappear, so things work about like normal (although that certainly wasn'

If you move the mouse up to the top of the screen in fullscreen mode the menu bar will reappear, so things work about like normal (although that certainly wasn't obvious the first time I pressed the green button). The double-click on the title bar is "Zoom" mode, which you can activate with Window >> Zoom. But I agree, it's not obvious, nor is it obvious what "Zoom" means.

lloeki 3y ago
> what "Zoom" means This: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36373756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36373756
- crossroadsguy 3y ago
  > not wasting space with useless empty space inside the window Wow. In the linked comment you just turned it into the class discussions.apple.com answer which always translates to “you are doing it wrong” and then “why do you even need that”.
  - lloeki 3y ago
    Apologies if it came out that way, I was merely trying to describe what was the original design of it, irrespective of whether it fits one's expectations.
saghm 3y ago
Unfortunately my main use of the menu bar is to have information at a glance (like the date and time), so having to move my mouse to see it kind of defeats the purpose. I definitely would not have guessed what "Zoom" mode meant though!
gardnr 3y ago
This is a bit annoying when an app has its own menu near the top of the screen. The only app I use in full screen is a media player. Every time I try to interact with the in-app hamburger menu, the whole wind shifts and the system window bay animates out. I really don’t like the full screen behaviour in macOS.
- eastbound 3y ago
  IntelliJ also has a menu bar just below the top of the full screen. I wish Apple made the collapsing top menus require much more insistence before appearing.
- tinus_hn 3y ago
  Apple would say they don’t like hamburger menus. If the app is designed contrary to the guidelines (which say avoid hamburger menus) and tries to fight the system, unsurprisingly it’s not going to work well with the system.

lloeki 3y ago

> what "Zoom" means This: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36373756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36373756

crossroadsguy 3y ago
> not wasting space with useless empty space inside the window Wow. In the linked comment you just turned it into the class discussions.apple.com answer which always translates to “you are doing it wrong” and then “why do you even need that”.
- lloeki 3y ago
  Apologies if it came out that way, I was merely trying to describe what was the original design of it, irrespective of whether it fits one's expectations.

saghm 3y ago

Unfortunately my main use of the menu bar is to have information at a glance (like the date and time), so having to move my mouse to see it kind of defeats the purpose. I definitely would not have guessed what "Zoom" mode meant though!

gardnr 3y ago

This is a bit annoying when an app has its own menu near the top of the screen. The only app I use in full screen is a media player. Every time I try to interact with the in-app hamburger menu, the whole wind shifts and the system window bay animates out. I really don’t like the full screen behaviour in macOS.

eastbound 3y ago
IntelliJ also has a menu bar just below the top of the full screen. I wish Apple made the collapsing top menus require much more insistence before appearing.
tinus_hn 3y ago
Apple would say they don’t like hamburger menus. If the app is designed contrary to the guidelines (which say avoid hamburger menus) and tries to fight the system, unsurprisingly it’s not going to work well with the system.