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Recent case in point: Walt Nauta, who got charged along with Trump. Had he just kept his mouth shut, he probably wouldn't have been charged, but they got him de

Recent case in point: Walt Nauta, who got charged along with Trump. Had he just kept his mouth shut, he probably wouldn't have been charged, but they got him dead-to-rights saying stuff they're pretty sure they can prove he was lying about. And this is it "working the way it should". The darker version is a Federal Agent says you told him something you didn't even say because it helps the case he's building. He asks you to repeat it on record and when you balk, he threatens you with a felony for "lying to a federal agent". Don't ever do it, even if it's an investigation you're sympathetic to. If _your_ lawyer is there taking notes, they know there's less shenanigans they can pull.

kkielhofner 3y ago
> The darker version is a Federal Agent says you told him something you didn't even say because it helps the case he's building. He asks you to repeat it on record and when you balk, he threatens you with a felony for "lying to a federal agent". This is shown in a scene from "Wolf of Wall Street"[0]. In this case the main agent gets his partner to come to within earshot of Jordan Belfort and asks Jordan to repeat his bribery offer. Testimony from one FBI agent is good, testimony from two is better. [0] - https://youtu.be/3IKbkjs8xd0?t=46 https://youtu.be/3IKbkjs8xd0?t=46
- dccoolgai 3y ago
  It's a little worse than that even - in that example, I think the feds are just trying to get him to repeat something _he said_. The way it works, is they meet with you alone: You say "A, B, C". They take some notes and write down "D, E, F" because it's what they want to hear or what they wish you said. A few weeks later, they present you with a written statement to sign that says "D, E, F". You protest "but I didn't say that, I said A, B, C!" And then they threaten you: either sign the statement or we charge you with lying to a Federal Agent (a felony). According to my Father in-law (an attorney with decades of experience), it happens way more than anyone would like to admit.
  - raincom 3y ago
    That’s another reason to have a lawyer present to take notes, so that federal agents don’t get away with their legally protected lying on their reports.
asylteltine 3y ago
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kkielhofner 3y ago

> The darker version is a Federal Agent says you told him something you didn't even say because it helps the case he's building. He asks you to repeat it on record and when you balk, he threatens you with a felony for "lying to a federal agent". This is shown in a scene from "Wolf of Wall Street"[0]. In this case the main agent gets his partner to come to within earshot of Jordan Belfort and asks Jordan to repeat his bribery offer. Testimony from one FBI agent is good, testimony from two is better. [0] - https://youtu.be/3IKbkjs8xd0?t=46 https://youtu.be/3IKbkjs8xd0?t=46

dccoolgai 3y ago
It's a little worse than that even - in that example, I think the feds are just trying to get him to repeat something _he said_. The way it works, is they meet with you alone: You say "A, B, C". They take some notes and write down "D, E, F" because it's what they want to hear or what they wish you said. A few weeks later, they present you with a written statement to sign that says "D, E, F". You protest "but I didn't say that, I said A, B, C!" And then they threaten you: either sign the statement or we charge you with lying to a Federal Agent (a felony). According to my Father in-law (an attorney with decades of experience), it happens way more than anyone would like to admit.
- raincom 3y ago
  That’s another reason to have a lawyer present to take notes, so that federal agents don’t get away with their legally protected lying on their reports.

asylteltine 3y ago

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