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Is this a stupid trick question where, if I respond with a list of nations not known to engage in industrial espionage and IP theft, you respond by saying "well

Is this a stupid trick question where, if I respond with a list of nations not known to engage in industrial espionage and IP theft, you respond by saying "well country X once did something-unrelated-to-this-topic to country Y, so your argument falls flat"? I'll humor you. Germany and France are not known to engage in systematic industrial espionage and IP theft. Not towards China, not towards European peers, not towards the USA. Please don't move the goalpost by talking about France' colonial epoch and stay away from WW2 and Hitler.

hindsightbias 3y ago
Even French media would disagree with that https://www.france24.com/en/20110104-france-industrial-espionage-economy-germany-russia-china-business https://www.france24.com/en/20110104-france-industrial-espio... Austinites have joked about the French Ligation being a spy base for 50 years.
- usefulcat 3y ago
  That's weird, I've lived in Austin a long time and never heard that. Not saying you're wrong, though I am curious where you heard that? I'm also generally curious about bits of obscure local history.
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some_random 3y ago
You're not wrong in the general case, but France does/did a lot of industrial espionage in recent history
- profile53 3y ago
  Can you give a few examples on this? France is not known for industrial espionage so your claim is the counter to the common narrative
  - some_random 3y ago
    My knowledge of this comes pretty much entirely from non-public sources (namely American graybeard incident responders), but here are a few I dug up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage#France_and_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage#France_an... https://www.france24.com/en/20110104-france-industrial-espionage-economy-germany-russia-china-business https://www.france24.com/en/20110104-france-industrial-espio... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-france-leads-russia-china-in-industrial-spying-in-europe/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-france-leads-russia-c... https://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/france-intellectual-property-theft-107020 https://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/france-intellectual-p...

hindsightbias 3y ago

Even French media would disagree with that https://www.france24.com/en/20110104-france-industrial-espionage-economy-germany-russia-china-business https://www.france24.com/en/20110104-france-industrial-espio... Austinites have joked about the French Ligation being a spy base for 50 years.

usefulcat 3y ago
That's weird, I've lived in Austin a long time and never heard that. Not saying you're wrong, though I am curious where you heard that? I'm also generally curious about bits of obscure local history.

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some_random 3y ago

You're not wrong in the general case, but France does/did a lot of industrial espionage in recent history

profile53 3y ago
Can you give a few examples on this? France is not known for industrial espionage so your claim is the counter to the common narrative
- some_random 3y ago
  My knowledge of this comes pretty much entirely from non-public sources (namely American graybeard incident responders), but here are a few I dug up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage#France_and_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage#France_an... https://www.france24.com/en/20110104-france-industrial-espionage-economy-germany-russia-china-business https://www.france24.com/en/20110104-france-industrial-espio... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-france-leads-russia-china-in-industrial-spying-in-europe/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-france-leads-russia-c... https://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/france-intellectual-property-theft-107020 https://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/france-intellectual-p...