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I'm atheist-leaning agnostic, but having grown up with Christian parents, I have to imagine that Jesus (the historical figure) would be annoyed at the idea of p

I'm atheist-leaning agnostic, but having grown up with Christian parents, I have to imagine that Jesus (the historical figure) would be annoyed at the idea of people two millennia in the future arguing about whether or not a particular grape juice product[1] was suitable for commemorating the ceremony he put on for his disciples. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure he'd be angry enough to start tipping over tables in the square that anyone would claim that using a slightly different grape juice product invalidated anything about the events where it was consumed. Of course, I'm sure this philosophical difference is exactly why there are so many splinter factions of Christianity, but it's hard for me to imagine making a religion a central part of one's life and then completely ignoring so much of the message that the core figure of that religion tried to get across. [1] or even any dark red beverage, really.

ttepasse 3y ago
On the other hand Jesus was born and grew up jewish and would have been familiar with jewish dietary laws and the sacrifices in the temple and the complicated conditions for those.
- mbg721 3y ago
  A lot of the complications came later. The destruction of the Temple caused a huge mess with how the Law was handled.
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
    The expansion of ritual purity into everyday mundane life was an active area of dispute in the judaism of christ's time & place. He certainly would have been aware of the general concept and most likely had a take on it. In fact there's a historically grounded secular interpretation of the good samaritan parable indicating it's at least partially about exactly this. According to contemporaneous jewish moral norms, the priest in the parable has valid reason to avoid what he thinks is a dead body but only if he has a ritual duty to perform in temple in the near future. In the parable he is traveling "down from jersusalem" eg his duty is complete for now. Jesus is coming down against him maintaining ritual purity without a specific liturgical duty to.

ttepasse 3y ago

On the other hand Jesus was born and grew up jewish and would have been familiar with jewish dietary laws and the sacrifices in the temple and the complicated conditions for those.

mbg721 3y ago
A lot of the complications came later. The destruction of the Temple caused a huge mess with how the Law was handled.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  The expansion of ritual purity into everyday mundane life was an active area of dispute in the judaism of christ's time & place. He certainly would have been aware of the general concept and most likely had a take on it. In fact there's a historically grounded secular interpretation of the good samaritan parable indicating it's at least partially about exactly this. According to contemporaneous jewish moral norms, the priest in the parable has valid reason to avoid what he thinks is a dead body but only if he has a ritual duty to perform in temple in the near future. In the parable he is traveling "down from jersusalem" eg his duty is complete for now. Jesus is coming down against him maintaining ritual purity without a specific liturgical duty to.