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Still think this is misguided. STRATFOR isn't the CIA; they like to pretend for marketing and what not, but they are obviously not the enemy here.

lwat 15y ago
Well maybe STRATFOR is not YOUR enemy, that doesn't mean Wikileaks is wrong to leak these.
reitblatt 15y ago
Anyone bribing governmental officials for personal profit is "the enemy". Edit: It's in the article. Stratfor gathers information using paid informants, including government officials. That's bribery.
- spindritf 15y ago
  What are you referring to? EDIT: ok, really, what bribes?
  - ortatherox 15y ago
    "The Global Intelligence Files exposes how Stratfor has recruited a global network of informants who are paid via Swiss banks accounts and pre-paid credit cards. Stratfor has a mix of covert and overt informants, which includes government employees, embassy staff and journalists around the world." + "Stratfor has realised that its routine use of secret cash bribes to get information from insiders is risky" - from the link
- webXL 15y ago
  What about those who bribe the electorate for personal profit ? What about politicians who blackmail each other for personal profit? Is it not possible to profit by bribing/blackmailing a government official and benefit the public at the same time? Please think these things through next time before you cathartically post that someone is "the enemy".
  - reitblatt 15y ago
    What in the world are you talking about? Politicians blackmailing each other for personal gain is unethical. And I'm pretty sure that "the electorate" doesn't qualify as a "governmental official". "Is it not possible to profit by bribing/blackmailing a government official and benefit the public at the same time?" The ethical content of an action is not determined by accidental effects. If I shoot a gun blindly into a street and accidentally save someone by shooting their attacker, that doesn't make my actions ethical. Bribing an official for information that you can then sell to the highest bidder is corruption. The intent matters. "Please think these things through next time before you cathartically post that someone is "the enemy"." I don't think that word means what you think it means.
    - webXL 15y ago
      Did I imply in any way that such political misconduct was ethical? No. Did I suggest "the electorate" qualified as a "government official"? No. I was simply impugning an absolute statement that blanketed a great number of honorable intelligence gathers as "the enemy", and promoted a great number of sketchy government officials as allies. Corruption is paying an official to change or ignore a law to benefit you at the expense of others. Incentivizing an official to leak intelligence (most likely not constitutionally obtained in the first place) doesn't fit that definition. If it did, half of the New York Times' Washington bureau would qualify as "the enemy". No, "cathartically" means what I think it does. I wouldn't call someone an enemy and really mean it unless that enemy was deliberately trying to harm me or my family. Any other use would be an attempt to invoke emotions.
      - reitblatt 15y ago
        "I wouldn't call someone an enemy and really mean it unless that enemy was deliberately trying to harm me or my family." I didn't literally call them the enemy, I put it in scary quotes as a reply to the (IMO) naive sentiment of the OP that because they're "not the CIA", they're not a legitimate target of WikiLeaks. Please ask for clarification next time before you cathartically lecture someone based on your own misunderstanding.
foobarbazetc 15y ago
Obvious to who?
cynoclast 15y ago
If they're bribing government officials, they're my enemy. Regardless of what they do with the information obtained.

lwat 15y ago

Well maybe STRATFOR is not YOUR enemy, that doesn't mean Wikileaks is wrong to leak these.

reitblatt 15y ago

Anyone bribing governmental officials for personal profit is "the enemy". Edit: It's in the article. Stratfor gathers information using paid informants, including government officials. That's bribery.

spindritf 15y ago
What are you referring to? EDIT: ok, really, what bribes?
- ortatherox 15y ago
  "The Global Intelligence Files exposes how Stratfor has recruited a global network of informants who are paid via Swiss banks accounts and pre-paid credit cards. Stratfor has a mix of covert and overt informants, which includes government employees, embassy staff and journalists around the world." + "Stratfor has realised that its routine use of secret cash bribes to get information from insiders is risky" - from the link
webXL 15y ago
What about those who bribe the electorate for personal profit ? What about politicians who blackmail each other for personal profit? Is it not possible to profit by bribing/blackmailing a government official and benefit the public at the same time? Please think these things through next time before you cathartically post that someone is "the enemy".
- reitblatt 15y ago
  What in the world are you talking about? Politicians blackmailing each other for personal gain is unethical. And I'm pretty sure that "the electorate" doesn't qualify as a "governmental official". "Is it not possible to profit by bribing/blackmailing a government official and benefit the public at the same time?" The ethical content of an action is not determined by accidental effects. If I shoot a gun blindly into a street and accidentally save someone by shooting their attacker, that doesn't make my actions ethical. Bribing an official for information that you can then sell to the highest bidder is corruption. The intent matters. "Please think these things through next time before you cathartically post that someone is "the enemy"." I don't think that word means what you think it means.
  - webXL 15y ago
    Did I imply in any way that such political misconduct was ethical? No. Did I suggest "the electorate" qualified as a "government official"? No. I was simply impugning an absolute statement that blanketed a great number of honorable intelligence gathers as "the enemy", and promoted a great number of sketchy government officials as allies. Corruption is paying an official to change or ignore a law to benefit you at the expense of others. Incentivizing an official to leak intelligence (most likely not constitutionally obtained in the first place) doesn't fit that definition. If it did, half of the New York Times' Washington bureau would qualify as "the enemy". No, "cathartically" means what I think it does. I wouldn't call someone an enemy and really mean it unless that enemy was deliberately trying to harm me or my family. Any other use would be an attempt to invoke emotions.
    - reitblatt 15y ago
      "I wouldn't call someone an enemy and really mean it unless that enemy was deliberately trying to harm me or my family." I didn't literally call them the enemy, I put it in scary quotes as a reply to the (IMO) naive sentiment of the OP that because they're "not the CIA", they're not a legitimate target of WikiLeaks. Please ask for clarification next time before you cathartically lecture someone based on your own misunderstanding.

foobarbazetc 15y ago

Obvious to who?

cynoclast 15y ago

If they're bribing government officials, they're my enemy. Regardless of what they do with the information obtained.