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I like this post, but I cannot get your backwards ABC rhythm to make sense.

by SV_BubbleTime 3y ago

rocketbop 3y ago
Yeah I can’t get it to fit the usual melody. Did you happen to put it on YouTube?
- doodlebugging 3y ago
  No I haven't recorded it for YouTube. I do have it on some home video somewhere, maybe. I would probably have to dig for that and maybe do a format conversion from 8mm tape. I diagrammed it out in the post above. I hope that helps.
Riseed 3y ago
This works for me: Z, y, x, w, v, u, t... S, r, q, p, o, n, m... L, k, j, I, h, g, F, e, d, c, b, and a.
- doodlebugging 3y ago
  Yes this also works but the reason I went with "L-K-J-I-H-G-F" over this deals with the fact that I can get each letter distinctly enunciated whereas if I mash the last line as you did there can be some muddying of the first two letters and you end up with another "elemental pee" problem in teaching the letters. I think F and E are too easy to turn into "effy" when you sing it out. It's a personal preference. Yours works too.
  - Riseed 3y ago
    Oh, you're right. That is a good point. And after looking at your detailed breakdown [0], your original line breaks do make sense. It does work better singing as "Baa Baa Black Sheep" with different lyrics than as "The Alphabet Song" with backwards lyrics. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36373590 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36373590
doodlebugging 3y ago
You have to do it like you handle the switch from Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star to Baa, Baa, Black Sheep. NOTES = 0 ABC = 1 BWABC = 2 TTLS = 3 BBBS = 4 [0] C, C, G, G, A, A, (long G) [1] A, b, c, d, e, f, (g)... [2] Z, y, x, w, v, u, (t)... [3] Twin, -kle, twin, -kle, lit, -tle, (star), [4] Baa, baa, black, sheep, have, you, (any wool)? [0] F, F, E, E, D, D, (long C) [1] H, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, (p)... (the elemental problem rises because they crammed an extra letter into this line and distinguishing each individual letter gets muddy because they used the two D notes for four letters - l, m, n, o. This is not optimum) [2] S, r, q, p, o, n, (m)... (gives each letter an opportunity to be clearly enunciated) [3] How, I, won, -der, what, you, (are)... [4] Yes, sir, yes, sir, three, bags, (full) [0] G, G, F, F, E, E, (long D) [1] Q, r, s, t, u, (v)... (pause on the F at S, or use a long F between S and T sop that the third and fourth notes merge on S) [2] L, k, j, i, h, g, (f)... (fits the flow and allows each letter to have a distinct sound) [3] Up, a, -bove, the, world, so, (high) [4] One, for the, mas, -ter, one, for the, (dame) [0] G, G, F, F, E, E, (long D) [1] W, x, y, and, (z)... (Both notes G, F are merged to handle the single letter they are sounding and the E includes "Y and" to get you to the last letter) [2] E, d, c, b, and (a). (This handles the rhythm like we see in [1] treatment of the stretching or pause on the third letter of the series) [3] Like, a, dia, -mond, in, the, (sky) [4] One, for the, lit -tle, girl, who, lives, down the, (lane) [0] C, C, G, G, A, A, (long G) [1] Now, I've, sung, my, A, B, (C's) [2] Now, I've, sung, them, back, -wards, (to you), [3] Twin, -kle, twin, -kle, lit, -tle, (star) [4] Baa, baa, black, sheep, have, you, (any wool)? [0] F, F, E, E, D, D, (long C) [1] Tell, me, what, you, think, of, (me). [2] Can, you, sing, them, back, -wards, (too)? [3] How, I, won, -der, what, you, (are) [4] Yes, sir, yes, sir, three, bags, (full) That's all I got. That's how I sing it. I tried to break out the notes as they flow in each song. Commas separate each note in the song and the parentheses around the last word or letter denote a long note. Where you see two words behind one comma those two words use the same note - "for the" is an example. It all fits for me though I guarantee that there is more than one way to skin this cat. This way works for me.
- Riseed 3y ago
  It took me a bit to get it, but this is an excellent explanation. Thank you :)

I like this post, but I cannot get your backwards ABC rhythm to make sense.

rocketbop 3y ago

Yeah I can’t get it to fit the usual melody. Did you happen to put it on YouTube?

doodlebugging 3y ago
No I haven't recorded it for YouTube. I do have it on some home video somewhere, maybe. I would probably have to dig for that and maybe do a format conversion from 8mm tape. I diagrammed it out in the post above. I hope that helps.

Riseed 3y ago

This works for me: Z, y, x, w, v, u, t... S, r, q, p, o, n, m... L, k, j, I, h, g, F, e, d, c, b, and a.

doodlebugging 3y ago
Yes this also works but the reason I went with "L-K-J-I-H-G-F" over this deals with the fact that I can get each letter distinctly enunciated whereas if I mash the last line as you did there can be some muddying of the first two letters and you end up with another "elemental pee" problem in teaching the letters. I think F and E are too easy to turn into "effy" when you sing it out. It's a personal preference. Yours works too.
- Riseed 3y ago
  Oh, you're right. That is a good point. And after looking at your detailed breakdown [0], your original line breaks do make sense. It does work better singing as "Baa Baa Black Sheep" with different lyrics than as "The Alphabet Song" with backwards lyrics. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36373590 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36373590

doodlebugging 3y ago

You have to do it like you handle the switch from Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star to Baa, Baa, Black Sheep. NOTES = 0 ABC = 1 BWABC = 2 TTLS = 3 BBBS = 4 [0] C, C, G, G, A, A, (long G) [1] A, b, c, d, e, f, (g)... [2] Z, y, x, w, v, u, (t)... [3] Twin, -kle, twin, -kle, lit, -tle, (star), [4] Baa, baa, black, sheep, have, you, (any wool)? [0] F, F, E, E, D, D, (long C) [1] H, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, (p)... (the elemental problem rises because they crammed an extra letter into this line and distinguishing each individual letter gets muddy because they used the two D notes for four letters - l, m, n, o. This is not optimum) [2] S, r, q, p, o, n, (m)... (gives each letter an opportunity to be clearly enunciated) [3] How, I, won, -der, what, you, (are)... [4] Yes, sir, yes, sir, three, bags, (full) [0] G, G, F, F, E, E, (long D) [1] Q, r, s, t, u, (v)... (pause on the F at S, or use a long F between S and T sop that the third and fourth notes merge on S) [2] L, k, j, i, h, g, (f)... (fits the flow and allows each letter to have a distinct sound) [3] Up, a, -bove, the, world, so, (high) [4] One, for the, mas, -ter, one, for the, (dame) [0] G, G, F, F, E, E, (long D) [1] W, x, y, and, (z)... (Both notes G, F are merged to handle the single letter they are sounding and the E includes "Y and" to get you to the last letter) [2] E, d, c, b, and (a). (This handles the rhythm like we see in [1] treatment of the stretching or pause on the third letter of the series) [3] Like, a, dia, -mond, in, the, (sky) [4] One, for the, lit -tle, girl, who, lives, down the, (lane) [0] C, C, G, G, A, A, (long G) [1] Now, I've, sung, my, A, B, (C's) [2] Now, I've, sung, them, back, -wards, (to you), [3] Twin, -kle, twin, -kle, lit, -tle, (star) [4] Baa, baa, black, sheep, have, you, (any wool)? [0] F, F, E, E, D, D, (long C) [1] Tell, me, what, you, think, of, (me). [2] Can, you, sing, them, back, -wards, (too)? [3] How, I, won, -der, what, you, (are) [4] Yes, sir, yes, sir, three, bags, (full) That's all I got. That's how I sing it. I tried to break out the notes as they flow in each song. Commas separate each note in the song and the parentheses around the last word or letter denote a long note. Where you see two words behind one comma those two words use the same note - "for the" is an example. It all fits for me though I guarantee that there is more than one way to skin this cat. This way works for me.

Riseed 3y ago
It took me a bit to get it, but this is an excellent explanation. Thank you :)