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Thought the US only constituted for ~11% of global emissions (or something of that magnitude). If that’s true, then even if we somehow managed to make ourselves

Thought the US only constituted for ~11% of global emissions (or something of that magnitude). If that’s true, then even if we somehow managed to make ourselves neutral it still wouldn’t make much of a difference right? Isn’t the real issue with the massive populations of people who don’t have the wealth to pay for the cleaner options? If you’re poor and need to provide for your family, you’re going to maximise for that as opposed to the climate. I’m not sure that American Conservatives are the issue here…

dunefox 3y ago
"Only" 11%...
atoav 3y ago
So you can kill anybody legally by poisoning them as long as every single murderer only contributes part of the deadly dose? Ethically every gram of CO2 we are putting out moves us into the wrong direction.
constantcrying 3y ago
>If that’s true, then even if we somehow managed to make ourselves neutral What does "neutral" even mean. 11% emissions sounds about right, but you aren't even counting the absorbtion of the US against it. CO2 offsetting is a ridicolous greenwashing proposition.
ttfkam 3y ago
The US is only 4.25% of the world's population though. (We do hold 20% of the whole world's prison population, so there's that.)
- bequanna 3y ago
  What’s your point? That we should revert our living standards to the global mean because…?
  - ttfkam 3y ago
    Efficient != Substandard Sitting in traffic for an hour because public transit infrastructure is woefully underfunded and ignored is not an improved standard of living. No longer being allowed to roll coal on bikers doesn't lower average living standards.
  - seadan83 3y ago
    Living standards in the US are reverting to the global mean well enough on it's own Life expectancy is not even top 20 and dropping. Social mobility is also not top 20, cost of healthcare is up there, poverty is up there.
- klyrs 3y ago
  > (We do hold 20% of the whole world's prison population, so there's that.) Prisoners have the smallest carbon footprint of us all. Is this progress? (bitter sarcasm)
  - Ekaros 3y ago
    Maybe solution is to force everyone live like prisoners...
aaomidi 3y ago
You counting the military too? :)

dunefox 3y ago

"Only" 11%...

atoav 3y ago

So you can kill anybody legally by poisoning them as long as every single murderer only contributes part of the deadly dose? Ethically every gram of CO2 we are putting out moves us into the wrong direction.

constantcrying 3y ago

>If that’s true, then even if we somehow managed to make ourselves neutral What does "neutral" even mean. 11% emissions sounds about right, but you aren't even counting the absorbtion of the US against it. CO2 offsetting is a ridicolous greenwashing proposition.

ttfkam 3y ago

The US is only 4.25% of the world's population though. (We do hold 20% of the whole world's prison population, so there's that.)

bequanna 3y ago
What’s your point? That we should revert our living standards to the global mean because…?
- ttfkam 3y ago
  Efficient != Substandard Sitting in traffic for an hour because public transit infrastructure is woefully underfunded and ignored is not an improved standard of living. No longer being allowed to roll coal on bikers doesn't lower average living standards.
- seadan83 3y ago
  Living standards in the US are reverting to the global mean well enough on it's own Life expectancy is not even top 20 and dropping. Social mobility is also not top 20, cost of healthcare is up there, poverty is up there.
klyrs 3y ago
> (We do hold 20% of the whole world's prison population, so there's that.) Prisoners have the smallest carbon footprint of us all. Is this progress? (bitter sarcasm)
- Ekaros 3y ago
  Maybe solution is to force everyone live like prisoners...

aaomidi 3y ago

You counting the military too? :)