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If you want to personally contribute to a charity that tackles climate change in the most effective ways, I personally recommend: https://www.givingwhatwecan.or

If you want to personally contribute to a charity that tackles climate change in the most effective ways, I personally recommend: https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/charities/founders-pledge-climate-change-fund https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/charities/founders-pledge-cl... It's not much, but its way better that most lifestyle changes (avoiding transatlantic flights, recycling, vegetarianism), and personally helps me feel like I am part of the solution rather than the problem.

licebmi__at__ 3y ago
Any reason why the specific transatlantic flights? I mean, I can understand the need to avoid frivolous flights, but if there’s a justification to fly, I would guess the transatlantic one would be less wasteful than other kinda of flights that can be served by alternative means.
constantcrying 3y ago
You realize atmospheric CO2 is driven by china? What do you think the charity is doing to stop that?
- atoav 3y ago
  Yeah, and in China your chinese equivalent would argue using the same logic why they shouldn't stop. Those paying the price will be the children of both nations.
  - constantcrying 3y ago
    >Yeah, and in China your chinese equivalent would argue using the same logic why they shouldn't stop. Wrong. German (and US!) CO2 output is declining Chinese has risen drastically. There is no equivalence here. China is doing nothing to reduce CO2 emissions, putting them on equal footing with the US/Europe is lying.
    - crubier 3y ago
      >US CO2 is declining Meanwhile, your equivalent in China is pointing that US CO2 emissions per capita are still way above China’s, cherry-picking the right metric to avoid any responsibility. Also, as a European person myself don’t talk to me about Germany and Climate. Germany is a fucking joke and the worst example of a Climate friendly policy due to their rejection of nuclear. https://app.electricitymaps.com/map https://app.electricitymaps.com/map
      - constantcrying 3y ago
        >Germany is a fucking joke and the worst example of a Climate friendly policy due to their rejection of nuclear. Couldn't agree more. Funnily enough the single most important reason Germany abandoned nuclear is because of the Green party, which promotes itself as the climate party. That they singlehandidly returned Germany to coal power (the actual policy was enacted by the CDU, but was 100% the result of decade long anti-nuclear activism by the Green party) does not seem to matter. Germany has now fully left nuclear power under a Green "Economy and Climate" minister, the sane alternative would have meant an enormous loss of face for that party. If this does not tell you that there will never be a politcal solution to the problem I don't know what to say.
        Timon3 3y ago
        > That they singlehandidly returned Germany to coal power (the actual policy was enacted by the CDU, but was 100% the result of decade long anti-nuclear activism by the Green party) does not seem to matter. Man, isn't it handy that the opposition party is at fault for what the party in power does? Those evil Greens just forced the CDUs hand, they had no choice (except for their actual power in the government, but why count that?).
    - atoav 3y ago
      > Wrong. German (and US!) CO2 output is declining Chinese has risen drastically. Per head? China has roughly 9 tons per capita and the US has 14-15 tons per capita. So even if the US cut their emissions by a third China would still be more resourceful there. We have to do more to reduce our carbon footprint because we have such a huge footprint. If we forget all about politics for a moment and look at the problem in an abstract fashion: Isn't it resonable that the worst offenders have to cut their emissions to a level that matches the upcoming countries before we can demand something from others?
- Ekaros 3y ago
  And before it was driven by other countries. And they have not done enough to cut their emission to say one tenth to repay the planet.

licebmi__at__ 3y ago

Any reason why the specific transatlantic flights? I mean, I can understand the need to avoid frivolous flights, but if there’s a justification to fly, I would guess the transatlantic one would be less wasteful than other kinda of flights that can be served by alternative means.

constantcrying 3y ago

You realize atmospheric CO2 is driven by china? What do you think the charity is doing to stop that?

atoav 3y ago
Yeah, and in China your chinese equivalent would argue using the same logic why they shouldn't stop. Those paying the price will be the children of both nations.
- constantcrying 3y ago
  >Yeah, and in China your chinese equivalent would argue using the same logic why they shouldn't stop. Wrong. German (and US!) CO2 output is declining Chinese has risen drastically. There is no equivalence here. China is doing nothing to reduce CO2 emissions, putting them on equal footing with the US/Europe is lying.
  - crubier 3y ago
    >US CO2 is declining Meanwhile, your equivalent in China is pointing that US CO2 emissions per capita are still way above China’s, cherry-picking the right metric to avoid any responsibility. Also, as a European person myself don’t talk to me about Germany and Climate. Germany is a fucking joke and the worst example of a Climate friendly policy due to their rejection of nuclear. https://app.electricitymaps.com/map https://app.electricitymaps.com/map
    - constantcrying 3y ago
      >Germany is a fucking joke and the worst example of a Climate friendly policy due to their rejection of nuclear. Couldn't agree more. Funnily enough the single most important reason Germany abandoned nuclear is because of the Green party, which promotes itself as the climate party. That they singlehandidly returned Germany to coal power (the actual policy was enacted by the CDU, but was 100% the result of decade long anti-nuclear activism by the Green party) does not seem to matter. Germany has now fully left nuclear power under a Green "Economy and Climate" minister, the sane alternative would have meant an enormous loss of face for that party. If this does not tell you that there will never be a politcal solution to the problem I don't know what to say.
      - Timon3 3y ago
        > That they singlehandidly returned Germany to coal power (the actual policy was enacted by the CDU, but was 100% the result of decade long anti-nuclear activism by the Green party) does not seem to matter. Man, isn't it handy that the opposition party is at fault for what the party in power does? Those evil Greens just forced the CDUs hand, they had no choice (except for their actual power in the government, but why count that?).
  - atoav 3y ago
    > Wrong. German (and US!) CO2 output is declining Chinese has risen drastically. Per head? China has roughly 9 tons per capita and the US has 14-15 tons per capita. So even if the US cut their emissions by a third China would still be more resourceful there. We have to do more to reduce our carbon footprint because we have such a huge footprint. If we forget all about politics for a moment and look at the problem in an abstract fashion: Isn't it resonable that the worst offenders have to cut their emissions to a level that matches the upcoming countries before we can demand something from others?
Ekaros 3y ago
And before it was driven by other countries. And they have not done enough to cut their emission to say one tenth to repay the planet.