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>> Tons of Total Babes: This game will have lots of babes that make the player go “wow.” >> There will be fiendish babes, human babes, angelic babes, asian ba

by v-erne 3y ago

>> Tons of Total Babes: This game will have lots of babes that make the player go “wow.” >> There will be fiendish babes, human babes, angelic babes, asian babes, and even undead babes. Well, I did not expected this level of honesty about what target audience really want. It almost like finding "and its also addictive, in most profitable kind of way" in Marlboro brand pitch deck. Its kinda refrshing.

smcl 3y ago
Then a few sections later > Babes: Think babes. Then think more babes. Slightly different times :)
- checkyoursudo 3y ago
  It strikes me as not a little weird that the word for a hot, sexy member of either sex is the same as a word for a very, very small child. Like, "Why, hello there, infant." dogwhistle
  - stavros 3y ago
    Similarly to when people call their significant others "baby".
  - hombre_fatal 3y ago
    [flagged]
  - bourneavent 3y ago
    That's because they call you "Daddy" in the bedroom. There's actually sort of a real reason for this. In the traditional monogamous or even polygamous relationship throughout human history it's usually the Male taking care of the female. Women when seeking a relationship are sort of searching for a caretaker that has sort of father like qualities of having enough resources to take care of them, taking a dominant role... etc. The relationship most similar to it is father and daughter I can sort of see why the linguistics have sort of merged. Obviously, in the last century, things have changed and the etiquette of relationship dynamics need to be spoken of in a way that's more egalitarian. But you can't completely deny millions of years of human anthropological behavior. If men usually played more dominant/caretaker roles in relationships in the majority of civilizations, then along that timescale certain behaviors become a bit ingrained biologically through natural selection. It's not surprising to see these attributes creep into language.
    - waveBidder 3y ago
      Poppycock. until recently, in agricultural societies, families (usually men) were choosing families to cement relationships with by trading children. what the woman (and frequently the men) wanted was mostly irrelevant. see https://scholars-stage.org/against-human-sexual-selection/ https://scholars-stage.org/against-human-sexual-selection/ If "daddy" is a thing, it's because of frequent age differences, since pregnancy is extremely hard on your body (fatality rates as high as being a soldier in a warzone until the advent of modern medicine).
      - bourneavent 3y ago
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  - okasaki 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - checkyoursudo 3y ago
      No? Why would I be?
- badpun 3y ago
  I don't think so. The language used in 2023 may be different, but the intent is the same: "Give them nudity, give them sex, give them violence. This is what will make us money".
  - smcl 3y ago
    As the post I was replying to said - at least they were honest with their intent. They knew their audience and set out to target them. But there are far more people playing games nowadays, so when you're planning a game nowadays you'd probably not zero in on that specific audience.
- bourneavent 3y ago
  This language is unconventional for business even in the 90s. Additionally men wouldn't talk this way in front of women in Any time. The difference now is it's less culturally accepted to talk like this even in casual situations even when just among men. Plenty women objectify men by wealth and status and they refer to men this way even publicly. The cultural change is mostly one sided, skewed more towards not offending women. For example, referring to men as Hunks or Chads is just not offensive at all. In fact it's a compliment. I feel it's almost entitlement if a girl gets offended by being called a babe.
  - aerio 3y ago
    This shows an inherent lack of understanding. Some men, starved of affection, feel nice when treated similarwly to women. I'd they have their ass grabbed, or they get car called, of whatever - it feels like a nice confidence boost. However, it entirely overlooks the fact that for many women, this behavior is non-stop, and comes with the very important difference that men are inherently much stronger than women, which means that they constantly feel a lot more threatened and unsafe than men do in the same situations.
    - bourneavent 3y ago
      [dead]
becquerel 3y ago
I was skeptical at first, but the babes are even undead? Truly this must be the RPG of a generation
- User23 3y ago
  Ahh Morte.
- throwaway173738 3y ago
  > Did you see the way she was looking at me boss? > You mean that slack-jawed beyond the grave look?
enkid 3y ago
Also, use of the word "babes" screams mid nineties.
pavlov 3y ago
Both human and Asian? That’s real representation.
- rogual 3y ago
  Don't know why you're flagged, that's hilarious. The PDF literally lists "Asian" as a category of babe alongside "Undead" and separately from "human".
  - arp242 3y ago
    Can't recall any Asian character from the game though. Time for an "Asian babes" mod I guess.
  - throwaway173738 3y ago
    That’s definitely pandering to the executives.
watashiato 3y ago
For those who haven't played the game, it should be noted that the game is nothing like what the pitch implies. PS:T is a well written and introspective RPG and in this capacity it is rivaled by only a handful of contenders.
- deleted 3y ago
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- User23 3y ago
  Disco Elysium, which I haven't gotten around to playing yet so I have no personal opinion, is the only contender I can think of. The only other game I can think of with that level of narrative craft is the Marathon series, which isn't an RPG, but rather an FPS. I'm kind of surprised Marathon 4 hasn't been kickstarted yet. There is definitely a whole lot of money on the table there, as the System Shock remake proves.
  - throwaway173738 3y ago
    Having played both Disco Elysium and Planescape, this is very accurate. Depending on the choices you make you will find yourself with the same plot points accomplished in totally different ways in both games. And different choices will go off the rails too.
  - ksaun 3y ago
    (FWIW, the studio with which I'm affiliated (https://digimancygames.com https://digimancygames.com) is focused on narrative-driven CRPGs in the vein of games like PS:T and Disco Elysium. We have assembled three of the Disco Elysium writers and other talent in this space. We have an internal project, but are seeking publishing partners or investors.)
    - intelVISA 3y ago
      Interesting, I wish you well as we sorely need more RPGs in that vein... are you writing an engine in-house?
badsectoracula 3y ago
> Well, I did not expected this level of honesty about what target audience really want. IIRC it was the other way around, the pitch document went overboard with that because it was what the executives/publisher believed audiences would want :-) Remember this wasn't the design document but the document to convince those with money to spend that money to make the game.
- Delk 3y ago
  IIRC the game does have a couple of female characters that could be seen as catering to that kind of a stereotype, at least in terms of appearance if not necessarily the story. But I also got the overall vibe that the pitch document goes overboard in terms of emphasizing that aspect as well as other kinds of shallow badassery such as the violence of the game. The pitch document also makes a big fuss about "ego masturbation" and the "player's power fantasy", and how the main character and his destiny are the centrepieces of everything. But that's not the vibe I got from the game at all. The main character is obviously at the centre of a lot of things, and I think the games does allow you to play selfishly. But I don't think the game really directs you towards that, let alone glorifying the character or the results of his past actions. Those parts of the pitch document read really weird to me. The game does of course make a point of being morbid and gruesome, even macabre. But I think the game does that with a lot less bravado than the pitch document suggests. But then, it is a pitch document, and not even marketing for the finished product.
  - the_af 3y ago
    The disconnect between the look and the actual description of the two main female characters, Fall-from-Grace and Annah, is interesting. Annah looks like a bimbo in her 3D model, but in game most NPCs find her repulsive or at least off-putting. She's not sexualized in-game, but her portrait is that of a "sexy babe". Conversely, Fall-from-Grace is described in-game as a tempting succubus (though she doesn't behave like one) and is supposed to be extremely attractive, yet her 3D portrait is rendered in shadows, very skinny, with scary bat wings and no hint of "babe" characteristics. She is not "sexy". I wonder if the people who drew the character portraits were going by the early pitch draft, because the disconnect with the actual characters is extreme.
Dwelve 3y ago
I never knew this game was so amazing. Guess I gotta play it after all
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  It has a very special (morbid) humor.
the_af 3y ago
The actual game is nothing like this at all. There are a couple of unfortunate character portraits of "babes", that don't match the actual character descriptions or behavior. It's the only juvenile aspect to the game, along with some of Morte's quips. The actual game is neither juvenile nor a power fantasy. It is an anti-power-fantasy. It is about atonement for past misdeeds. Killing is often not the solution, and in fact there is a "pacifist" walkthrough. Most of the characters you find are mentally and physically scarred by things done to them by [redacted].
- ajuc 3y ago
  I think this is a common problem artists have to deal with. The art they want to make (and that fans want to get) vs the industry approval filter. You have to lie to at least one of these groups. See new Netflix shows for how idiotic and self-sabotaging it can get if you choose lying to fans (see Witcher).
  - hn_go_brrrrr 3y ago
    What's the problem with the Witcher?
    - ajuc 3y ago
      First season was mostly ok, there were some "representation" changes but not too bad. 2nd season they changed everything to the point that it's easier to list what didn't changed. And they changed it for worse... Third season is supposedly so far off that the main actor Henry Caville who is a big fan of the books resigned. Imagine Peter Jackson made Sam betray Frodo and sell him to Saruman, Gandalf was actually trying to turn Frodo into an orc, elves were actually going to the middle earth not escaping it, and the big bad wasn't Sauron but some new character invented by Jackson that makes no sense but sounds vaguely Icelandish because we want to keep the Nordic theme. Oh and half the party gets killed in Rivendale by the new villain mindfucking Frodo. And magic stops being unexplained and mythical. You just gather shiny rocks and you can cast spells. This is roughly equivalent to what has been changed in season 2. Characters and motivations are unrecognizable, the world is a mess. Season 3 is widely boycotted by fans.

by v-erne 3y ago

smcl 3y ago

Then a few sections later > Babes: Think babes. Then think more babes. Slightly different times :)

checkyoursudo 3y ago
It strikes me as not a little weird that the word for a hot, sexy member of either sex is the same as a word for a very, very small child. Like, "Why, hello there, infant." dogwhistle
- stavros 3y ago
  Similarly to when people call their significant others "baby".
- hombre_fatal 3y ago
  [flagged]
- bourneavent 3y ago
  That's because they call you "Daddy" in the bedroom. There's actually sort of a real reason for this. In the traditional monogamous or even polygamous relationship throughout human history it's usually the Male taking care of the female. Women when seeking a relationship are sort of searching for a caretaker that has sort of father like qualities of having enough resources to take care of them, taking a dominant role... etc. The relationship most similar to it is father and daughter I can sort of see why the linguistics have sort of merged. Obviously, in the last century, things have changed and the etiquette of relationship dynamics need to be spoken of in a way that's more egalitarian. But you can't completely deny millions of years of human anthropological behavior. If men usually played more dominant/caretaker roles in relationships in the majority of civilizations, then along that timescale certain behaviors become a bit ingrained biologically through natural selection. It's not surprising to see these attributes creep into language.
  - waveBidder 3y ago
    Poppycock. until recently, in agricultural societies, families (usually men) were choosing families to cement relationships with by trading children. what the woman (and frequently the men) wanted was mostly irrelevant. see https://scholars-stage.org/against-human-sexual-selection/ https://scholars-stage.org/against-human-sexual-selection/ If "daddy" is a thing, it's because of frequent age differences, since pregnancy is extremely hard on your body (fatality rates as high as being a soldier in a warzone until the advent of modern medicine).
    - bourneavent 3y ago
      [dead]
- okasaki 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - checkyoursudo 3y ago
    No? Why would I be?
badpun 3y ago
I don't think so. The language used in 2023 may be different, but the intent is the same: "Give them nudity, give them sex, give them violence. This is what will make us money".
- smcl 3y ago
  As the post I was replying to said - at least they were honest with their intent. They knew their audience and set out to target them. But there are far more people playing games nowadays, so when you're planning a game nowadays you'd probably not zero in on that specific audience.
bourneavent 3y ago
This language is unconventional for business even in the 90s. Additionally men wouldn't talk this way in front of women in Any time. The difference now is it's less culturally accepted to talk like this even in casual situations even when just among men. Plenty women objectify men by wealth and status and they refer to men this way even publicly. The cultural change is mostly one sided, skewed more towards not offending women. For example, referring to men as Hunks or Chads is just not offensive at all. In fact it's a compliment. I feel it's almost entitlement if a girl gets offended by being called a babe.
- aerio 3y ago
  This shows an inherent lack of understanding. Some men, starved of affection, feel nice when treated similarwly to women. I'd they have their ass grabbed, or they get car called, of whatever - it feels like a nice confidence boost. However, it entirely overlooks the fact that for many women, this behavior is non-stop, and comes with the very important difference that men are inherently much stronger than women, which means that they constantly feel a lot more threatened and unsafe than men do in the same situations.
  - bourneavent 3y ago
    [dead]

becquerel 3y ago

I was skeptical at first, but the babes are even undead? Truly this must be the RPG of a generation

User23 3y ago
Ahh Morte.
throwaway173738 3y ago
> Did you see the way she was looking at me boss? > You mean that slack-jawed beyond the grave look?

enkid 3y ago

Also, use of the word "babes" screams mid nineties.

pavlov 3y ago

Both human and Asian? That’s real representation.

rogual 3y ago
Don't know why you're flagged, that's hilarious. The PDF literally lists "Asian" as a category of babe alongside "Undead" and separately from "human".
- arp242 3y ago
  Can't recall any Asian character from the game though. Time for an "Asian babes" mod I guess.
- throwaway173738 3y ago
  That’s definitely pandering to the executives.

watashiato 3y ago

For those who haven't played the game, it should be noted that the game is nothing like what the pitch implies. PS:T is a well written and introspective RPG and in this capacity it is rivaled by only a handful of contenders.

deleted 3y ago
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User23 3y ago
Disco Elysium, which I haven't gotten around to playing yet so I have no personal opinion, is the only contender I can think of. The only other game I can think of with that level of narrative craft is the Marathon series, which isn't an RPG, but rather an FPS. I'm kind of surprised Marathon 4 hasn't been kickstarted yet. There is definitely a whole lot of money on the table there, as the System Shock remake proves.
- throwaway173738 3y ago
  Having played both Disco Elysium and Planescape, this is very accurate. Depending on the choices you make you will find yourself with the same plot points accomplished in totally different ways in both games. And different choices will go off the rails too.
- ksaun 3y ago
  (FWIW, the studio with which I'm affiliated (https://digimancygames.com https://digimancygames.com) is focused on narrative-driven CRPGs in the vein of games like PS:T and Disco Elysium. We have assembled three of the Disco Elysium writers and other talent in this space. We have an internal project, but are seeking publishing partners or investors.)
  - intelVISA 3y ago
    Interesting, I wish you well as we sorely need more RPGs in that vein... are you writing an engine in-house?

badsectoracula 3y ago

> Well, I did not expected this level of honesty about what target audience really want. IIRC it was the other way around, the pitch document went overboard with that because it was what the executives/publisher believed audiences would want :-) Remember this wasn't the design document but the document to convince those with money to spend that money to make the game.

Delk 3y ago
IIRC the game does have a couple of female characters that could be seen as catering to that kind of a stereotype, at least in terms of appearance if not necessarily the story. But I also got the overall vibe that the pitch document goes overboard in terms of emphasizing that aspect as well as other kinds of shallow badassery such as the violence of the game. The pitch document also makes a big fuss about "ego masturbation" and the "player's power fantasy", and how the main character and his destiny are the centrepieces of everything. But that's not the vibe I got from the game at all. The main character is obviously at the centre of a lot of things, and I think the games does allow you to play selfishly. But I don't think the game really directs you towards that, let alone glorifying the character or the results of his past actions. Those parts of the pitch document read really weird to me. The game does of course make a point of being morbid and gruesome, even macabre. But I think the game does that with a lot less bravado than the pitch document suggests. But then, it is a pitch document, and not even marketing for the finished product.
- the_af 3y ago
  The disconnect between the look and the actual description of the two main female characters, Fall-from-Grace and Annah, is interesting. Annah looks like a bimbo in her 3D model, but in game most NPCs find her repulsive or at least off-putting. She's not sexualized in-game, but her portrait is that of a "sexy babe". Conversely, Fall-from-Grace is described in-game as a tempting succubus (though she doesn't behave like one) and is supposed to be extremely attractive, yet her 3D portrait is rendered in shadows, very skinny, with scary bat wings and no hint of "babe" characteristics. She is not "sexy". I wonder if the people who drew the character portraits were going by the early pitch draft, because the disconnect with the actual characters is extreme.

Dwelve 3y ago

I never knew this game was so amazing. Guess I gotta play it after all

hutzlibu 3y ago
It has a very special (morbid) humor.

the_af 3y ago

The actual game is nothing like this at all. There are a couple of unfortunate character portraits of "babes", that don't match the actual character descriptions or behavior. It's the only juvenile aspect to the game, along with some of Morte's quips. The actual game is neither juvenile nor a power fantasy. It is an anti-power-fantasy. It is about atonement for past misdeeds. Killing is often not the solution, and in fact there is a "pacifist" walkthrough. Most of the characters you find are mentally and physically scarred by things done to them by [redacted].

ajuc 3y ago
I think this is a common problem artists have to deal with. The art they want to make (and that fans want to get) vs the industry approval filter. You have to lie to at least one of these groups. See new Netflix shows for how idiotic and self-sabotaging it can get if you choose lying to fans (see Witcher).
- hn_go_brrrrr 3y ago
  What's the problem with the Witcher?
  - ajuc 3y ago
    First season was mostly ok, there were some "representation" changes but not too bad. 2nd season they changed everything to the point that it's easier to list what didn't changed. And they changed it for worse... Third season is supposedly so far off that the main actor Henry Caville who is a big fan of the books resigned. Imagine Peter Jackson made Sam betray Frodo and sell him to Saruman, Gandalf was actually trying to turn Frodo into an orc, elves were actually going to the middle earth not escaping it, and the big bad wasn't Sauron but some new character invented by Jackson that makes no sense but sounds vaguely Icelandish because we want to keep the Nordic theme. Oh and half the party gets killed in Rivendale by the new villain mindfucking Frodo. And magic stops being unexplained and mythical. You just gather shiny rocks and you can cast spells. This is roughly equivalent to what has been changed in season 2. Characters and motivations are unrecognizable, the world is a mess. Season 3 is widely boycotted by fans.