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This is very similar to France. The last sentence is particularly true: lots of important things are being said in French among French-speaking people. Spoken

This is very similar to France. The last sentence is particularly true: lots of important things are being said in French among French-speaking people. Spoken French is also quite complex because it makes use of many references (usually shared by people of similar age) and relies a lot on second degree (what you hear is not what is meant). This is probably the most complicated part. My wife learnt to speak French and she initially had issues to understand people nt because she was lacking words but because what she was hearing did not make a lot of sense. It is because it was either a reference or (less common because people knew she was not a native speaker) second degree). Finally we decide in France to make our own life difficult by reinventing a lot of technical computer-oriented words, but this is the same in German.

tharkun__ 3y ago
Can't say anything about the France part but as for the difficult by reinventing a lot of technical computer-oriented words, but this is the same in German. This isn't actually the case in German. One reason why it was so easy to run away from Germany was that all the work related stuff was basically in English already anyway. You just had to learn the "regular sentence parts between the work related words" and that you learn in high-school English well enough. Sure there was the odd professor that would call a stack a "Stapel", but nobody but him would call it that. Now of course the parts of CS that are pure maths, you are correct that they all have German words. But they're had that for hundreds of years. Actual computer-oriented run-of-the-ill words like you describe? Lots of Denglish! I actually find that I can talk and converse perfectly at work because of it. Never lost for words. But in regular conversation outside of work I do search for words sometimes still.
- rubberpoliceman 3y ago
  > Sure there was the odd professor that would call a stack a "Stapel" “Kellerspeicher”, certainly
  - tharkun__ 3y ago
    OMG, that rings a bell. Might have been that instead, yep! It's been a while. Was literally only the one prof too.
    - detaro 3y ago
      Both are used, depending on which tradition of lecture book you follow (or sth like that)

tharkun__ 3y ago

Can't say anything about the France part but as for the difficult by reinventing a lot of technical computer-oriented words, but this is the same in German. This isn't actually the case in German. One reason why it was so easy to run away from Germany was that all the work related stuff was basically in English already anyway. You just had to learn the "regular sentence parts between the work related words" and that you learn in high-school English well enough. Sure there was the odd professor that would call a stack a "Stapel", but nobody but him would call it that. Now of course the parts of CS that are pure maths, you are correct that they all have German words. But they're had that for hundreds of years. Actual computer-oriented run-of-the-ill words like you describe? Lots of Denglish! I actually find that I can talk and converse perfectly at work because of it. Never lost for words. But in regular conversation outside of work I do search for words sometimes still.

rubberpoliceman 3y ago
> Sure there was the odd professor that would call a stack a "Stapel" “Kellerspeicher”, certainly
- tharkun__ 3y ago
  OMG, that rings a bell. Might have been that instead, yep! It's been a while. Was literally only the one prof too.
  - detaro 3y ago
    Both are used, depending on which tradition of lecture book you follow (or sth like that)