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I think your expectations aren't really inline with the environment from the perspective of these different possible employees. In Switzerland, my minimum sala

I think your expectations aren't really inline with the environment from the perspective of these different possible employees. In Switzerland, my minimum salary expectation was 30k more a year if working in English for a US/International company remotely or here, that was extremely realistic and someone in Germany would be looking at a much larger loss in pay when working for a German firm. If they are making that choice they may think local job and culture should be rubbing off as a benefit, so you only need to send them to one general event to show their limited potential upside isn't making progress per year despite high cost per year.

egeozcan 3y ago
I'm sorry, I'm not sure I get the last part, are you suggesting that when we send these employees to an event (like a meeting or a town hall), they realize that their potential for growth and progress might be limited because they don't speak the language? If so, I don't think it takes them to be in those events, even, to understand that. This is a problem we simply cannot solve. By the way, I never heard anyone complain about their salary on the exit interviews. It's almost always the bad integration to the rest of the team/company, and sometimes having to deal with technology they'd rather keep away from (JSF! :) ). I know the salaries the company offers aren't comparable to what is offered across the pond but they are quite competitive in Europe.
- fatfingerd 3y ago
  They are taking a lower pay presumably because integration with a local company is important to them. Your exit interview reflects that.. You are showing them that they aren't getting that if they occasionally go to the all hands and realize they have no idea what's going, aren't really able to participate in the larger context and don't really see a way that will improve. They could continue to look for another local employer that does better at integrating them or they could stop considering integration with any local employer and get an immediate pay rise. I'm curious where you would put the top pay of say a senior front end or back end engineer in Germany. I would say the Swiss market has a funny soft limit about 130CHF that's similar to the US around 160USD, where HRs level of fidgety in negotiations escalates fast. Most Germans I know who have gone back and forth between Switzerland and Germany were very unhappy with German compensation but not happy with their integration in Switzerland.

egeozcan 3y ago

I'm sorry, I'm not sure I get the last part, are you suggesting that when we send these employees to an event (like a meeting or a town hall), they realize that their potential for growth and progress might be limited because they don't speak the language? If so, I don't think it takes them to be in those events, even, to understand that. This is a problem we simply cannot solve. By the way, I never heard anyone complain about their salary on the exit interviews. It's almost always the bad integration to the rest of the team/company, and sometimes having to deal with technology they'd rather keep away from (JSF! :) ). I know the salaries the company offers aren't comparable to what is offered across the pond but they are quite competitive in Europe.

fatfingerd 3y ago
They are taking a lower pay presumably because integration with a local company is important to them. Your exit interview reflects that.. You are showing them that they aren't getting that if they occasionally go to the all hands and realize they have no idea what's going, aren't really able to participate in the larger context and don't really see a way that will improve. They could continue to look for another local employer that does better at integrating them or they could stop considering integration with any local employer and get an immediate pay rise. I'm curious where you would put the top pay of say a senior front end or back end engineer in Germany. I would say the Swiss market has a funny soft limit about 130CHF that's similar to the US around 160USD, where HRs level of fidgety in negotiations escalates fast. Most Germans I know who have gone back and forth between Switzerland and Germany were very unhappy with German compensation but not happy with their integration in Switzerland.