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I don’t live in a red state but I was raised in the most socially conservative area of Canada and I do have a number of religious and evangelical friends though

by krrrh 3y ago

I don’t live in a red state but I was raised in the most socially conservative area of Canada and I do have a number of religious and evangelical friends though I was raised atheist. Granted I do now live in the gayest neighbourhood in Canada. The level of homophobia I witnessed and experienced in the nineties was on another order than what exists today, there is absolutely no comparison (I’m not gay but was routinely called a fag even by strangers because I was a skinny kid with long hair and had gay friends). In the nineties I would read conservative magazines that had ads in them pushing conspiracy theories about how the NAZI leadership were all gay. DOMA was a huge issue that ate up a lot of national politics in 2004, even California voted against gay marriage in a referendum. In 2012 Obama was still compelled to campaign in defense of DOMA and was openly supportive of marriage only between men and women (though interestingly the earliest activists for marriage equality came from the centre-right (Sullivan and Rauchman)). Now the nuttiest MAGA republicans all love George Santos, who was a literally drag queening in Brazil and Peter Thiel who got a massive cheer when he keynoted the 2016 convention and said “I am proud to be gay. I am proud to be a Republican. But most of all I am proud to be an American.” Unthinkable even 4 years prior. One poll of gay men in 2020 shows 46% support for Trump. [0] On the more traditional Republican side of things (Dispatch conservatives and Reason Libertarians) it’s hard to find many living authors who are more valourized than Deirdre McClosky who has been trans for 30 years. It’s possible that homophobia has increased a bit in the last few years amongst social conservatives, but it still isn’t close to anything like it was even a decade ago. So if it has increased, and if young people are reverting to viewing sex as a binary according to a recent Pew poll [1] the question is why. Partly it’s the weird corporate and state monomania around the topic. But more than that, as I stated above, it seems to me to be mixed with blowback to gender ideology which has been conflated with gay rights, even though it is a very different and contradictory thing with a whole separate host of questions around medical ethics and educating children that many don’t find to be consistent with the positive message that universalized gay rights - you’re fine the way you were born and you don’t need to change anything to be accepted. [0] https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trump-applauds-poll-showing-45-percent-support-among-gay-men-n1240633?icid=related https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trump-applauds-poll-... [1] Most favor protecting trans people from discrimination, even as growing share say gender is determined by sex at birth - https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/06/28/americans-complex-views-on-gender-identity-and-transgender-issues/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/06/28/america...

theprincess 3y ago
The common thread between homophobia and transphobia is a dislike of gender non-conformity. Since the days of Ernst Rohm [0] there has been an element of the gay community convinced that gender non-conforming gays - femmes - were the real problem. There are plenty of straight conservatives who are willing to play along with this for a time too since a masculine man isn't hard to accept as long as you don't think about what he does in his bedroom. What you call "gender ideology" - a dogwhistle similar to Trans Identified Male and Trans Identified Female, acronyms specifically chosen to aggravate trans people by spelling out stereotypically female and male names - is, in some ways, everything that conservative gays and conservative straights disliked about stereotypical homosexuals distilled into its purest form. It violates the taboo of males being overly feminine (queens) and females being overly masculine (d*kes). It's also why drag queens, who are not transgender, are being swept up into the current moral panic. It's strange to watch anti-trans activists make a big fuss about trans people changing their physical appearance, then go out and support things like drag bans which are also being used to prevent trans people from appearing in public [1]. Those bans are 100% about forcing people to wear certain clothing. I feel like legislating people's wardrobes according to the sex they were assigned at birth really gives away what's really going on here. Even if all trans people stopped getting any hormones or surgeries tomorrow and even if they stopped using the pronouns that they feel fit them, and even if they stopped using the restrooms that fit them they would still be hated and attacked. They would be attacked for the same reason that feminine gay men and masculine gay women have always taken the brunt of homophobia. Because what people hate is gender non-conformity. They want males to be reasonably masculine and wear clothing that is considered stereotypically male, and vice versa for females. The talk about scary medical procedures and men and women being erased and even fairness in sports is just a way of making that impulse sound reasonable and justified. [0] https://daily.jstor.org/ernst-rohm-the-highest-ranking-gay-nazi/ https://daily.jstor.org/ernst-rohm-the-highest-ranking-gay-n... [1] https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/library-cancels-trans-speaker-after-montana-bans-drag-99777331 https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/library-cancels-trans-sp...

by krrrh 3y ago

theprincess 3y ago

The common thread between homophobia and transphobia is a dislike of gender non-conformity. Since the days of Ernst Rohm [0] there has been an element of the gay community convinced that gender non-conforming gays - femmes - were the real problem. There are plenty of straight conservatives who are willing to play along with this for a time too since a masculine man isn't hard to accept as long as you don't think about what he does in his bedroom. What you call "gender ideology" - a dogwhistle similar to Trans Identified Male and Trans Identified Female, acronyms specifically chosen to aggravate trans people by spelling out stereotypically female and male names - is, in some ways, everything that conservative gays and conservative straights disliked about stereotypical homosexuals distilled into its purest form. It violates the taboo of males being overly feminine (queens) and females being overly masculine (d*kes). It's also why drag queens, who are not transgender, are being swept up into the current moral panic. It's strange to watch anti-trans activists make a big fuss about trans people changing their physical appearance, then go out and support things like drag bans which are also being used to prevent trans people from appearing in public [1]. Those bans are 100% about forcing people to wear certain clothing. I feel like legislating people's wardrobes according to the sex they were assigned at birth really gives away what's really going on here. Even if all trans people stopped getting any hormones or surgeries tomorrow and even if they stopped using the pronouns that they feel fit them, and even if they stopped using the restrooms that fit them they would still be hated and attacked. They would be attacked for the same reason that feminine gay men and masculine gay women have always taken the brunt of homophobia. Because what people hate is gender non-conformity. They want males to be reasonably masculine and wear clothing that is considered stereotypically male, and vice versa for females. The talk about scary medical procedures and men and women being erased and even fairness in sports is just a way of making that impulse sound reasonable and justified. [0] https://daily.jstor.org/ernst-rohm-the-highest-ranking-gay-nazi/ https://daily.jstor.org/ernst-rohm-the-highest-ranking-gay-n... [1] https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/library-cancels-trans-speaker-after-montana-bans-drag-99777331 https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/library-cancels-trans-sp...